Aktuell - Dr. Arnold Klein talks to Larry King - "I lost my best friend" 16.10.2009

[Sabine_U]

Dr. Klein wurde wieder mal bei Larry King eingeladen
Diesmal kam er mit Begleitschutz.

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Einer sympathischer, als der andere...

[little_ghost]

Also, ich weiß ja nicht, was da noch alles rauskommt oder auch nicht, aber, was mich erstaunt:
1. wie viele beste Freunde hatte Michael (ohne dass er es anscheinend wusste)?
2. wieso versteh ich unter "bester Freund" irgendwie was völlig anderes???

[Sabine_U]

Jetzt, wo Du's sagst....
Ich habe mich auch schon gewundert!

[Maxi777]

Ich habe heute leider keinen Ton! Morgen werde ich es mir mal "antun".

[Cassandra]

Ich frage mich, was dieser Auftritt bezwecken sollte. Es war ja nicht so, dass er wirklich etwas Neues zu erzählen hatte. Und warum hatte er gleich zwei Anwälte mit, einen Straf-und einen Zivilverteidiger, die ihn in den höchsten Tönen lobten und immer wieder betonten, wie sehr er doch mit der Polizei kooperierte?

Irgendeinen Grund muss er für diese merkwürdige Show gehabt haben, auch weil er mehrmals erwähnte, dass er Murray nicht kannte und nicht wusste, dass Michael auf Propofol war. Vielleicht gibt es eine harmlose Erklärung und er will nur einem eventuellen Patientenschwund in seiner Praxis entgegenwirken (versuchte ja auch, sich als Sympathieträger zu verkaufen, in dem immer wieder Bilder von ihm und den Jackson Kindern vom letzten Weihnachtsfest eingeblendet wurden.) Vielleicht gehen aber doch Dinge vor, von denen wir nichts wissen. Der eine Anwalt sagte, es würde ihn extrem überraschen, wenn Klein angeklagt würde. Das heisst aber im Klartext, er schliesst es nicht aus. Sehr vewirrend, die Geschichte.

[Spirit]

@Sabin U

Zu dem Inhalt kann ich jetzt noch nichts sagen,

aber müsste die Überschrift nicht lauten..

* I lose my most valuable patient!*

[November]

Ich hab's mir noch nicht angeschaut, meine Verbindung ist heute abend etwas langsam. Aber wenn er, wie Cassandra scheibt, Anwalt und Strafverteidiger dabei hatte, die bestätigen sollen, dass er vorbildlich mit der Polizei zusammen arbeitet, dann will er vielleicht damit schonmal vorbeugen - in zweierlei Hinsicht. Ansehen der Praxis heben und auch sein eigenes.

Wenn er mehrfach erzählt, er habe mit Murray nichts zu tun gehabt, dann war es sehr wahrscheinlich genau gegenteilig.

Er hatte in dieser Sendung offenbar eine Plattform gefunden (und bekommen?), sich reinzuwaschen (auch vorbeugend).

[Sabine_U]

Und warum hatte er gleich zwei Anwälte mit, einen Straf-und einen Zivilverteidiger, die ihn in den höchsten Tönen lobten und immer wieder betonten, wie sehr er doch mit der Polizei kooperierte?

Hö, hö, hö, Arnold wird schon wissen, warum.....

Spirit - Du hast ja mal wieder sowas von recht.

[Donna]

...oh Mann, vor lauter Botox sind bei Arnold im Stirn- und Wangenbereich keinerlei Regungen mehr möglich.
Ich kann mir einfach nicht helfen, auf mich wirkt dieser Mann irgendwie furchteinflösend, sein Blick.....

[manu29]

@Spirit

Vielleicht ist das ein Anagramm?

Ich weiß auch nicht, warum Michael plötzlich so viele Freunde hatte... aber wenn das seine Freunde waren dann hat er hier eine merkwürdige Auswahl getroffen... wenn das mein bester Freund wäre, dann hätte ich ihm nicht eine Tablette verschrieben,... das versteh ich unter Freundschaft...

[remember]

LOL. Ich denke das Gleiche.

Wenn wir schon Kleins Dreck am Stecken vermuten, wirds die LAPD das auch wohl tun: Zumindest deutet so`n Auftritt darauf hin. Was das Ganze bezweckt? LOL: Der Kerl rettet seinen A*sch.

[Donna]

Hier das transcript:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...18/lkl.01.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Michael Jackson's Dermatologist Sets the Record Straight; Homicide Probe in Sweat Lodge Deaths

Aired October 18, 2009 - 21:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, Michael Jackson's friend and dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, is back. Four months after the king of pop's death, he sets the record straight.

Did he give Michael drugs?

Is he the father of the kids?

He'll answer questions that won't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Do you ever say to yourself I should have done something differently?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Plus, how did a self-help retreat dedicated to life go fatally wrong?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Crystal Power (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Two people die. More than a dozen are overcome in a sweat lodge rite run by "The Secret's" James Arthur Ray.

And how can he explain this tragedy to his followers?

And then, American college student Amanda Knox, charged with the savage murder of her roommate in Italy.

Did a bizarre sex game turn deadly, as authorities claim, or is an innocent woman being railroaded?

As closing arguments loom, Amanda's desperate parents tell us what they're doing to save their daughter from decades behind bars.

All next on LARRY KING LIVE.

Good evening.

A great pleasure to welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE, Dr. Arnold Klein, the famed dermatologist who was Michael Jackson's longtime physician and friend.

Also with us, Garo Ghazarian. He is Dr. Klein's criminal attorney, and Richard Charnley, who's the civil attorney for Dr. Klein.

Why do you need attorneys, Arnold?

DR. ARNOLD KLEIN, MICHAEL JACKSON'S DERMATOLOGIST: Why do I need attorneys?

Why do you need doctors?

(LAUGHTER)

KLEIN: It's the same reason. I mean we live in a world where you need attorneys to protect yourself and you need doctors to make yourself heal.

KING: Is there a possibility of criminal charges against you?

KLEIN: I don't think whatsoever. I haven't broken any laws. There's no proof whatsoever that I have broken any laws. You can ask my lawyers.

KING: And Garo, do you feel any criminal coming?

GARO GHAZARIAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I don't. Based on everything I have done thus far, I am fairly confident and comfortable, although this is against the general rule to have a client on the air. It goes against everything...

KING: True, during an investigation.

GHAZARIAN: Yes.

KING: There's still an ongoing investigation.

KLEIN: I...

GHAZARIAN: There is an ongoing investigation.

KLEIN: Can I just say, the people who pointed their fingers at me should really consider those people who pointed their fingers at me.

I mean how reliable, how credible were they?

KING: All right.

KLEIN: I mean...

KING: And what about the threat of civil suits? RICHARD CHARNLEY, CIVIL ATTORNEY: Well, I haven't heard any civil litigation pending against Dr. Klein. I think it has been reported, and it's true, that Dr. Klein has filed some suits of his own.

KING: Against?

KLEIN: Against?

CHARNLEY: We have -- we have a suit right now pending against Dr. Stephen Houghlan in connection with some statements that he made to "The Sun" a month-and-a-half ago.

KING: We'll do more on that later.

Has this impacted your practice, Dr. Klein?

KLEIN: Well, I mean, I will tell you one thing that, you know, I think people should know who I am. Basically, I'm a full professor -- because I was looking at (INAUDIBLE) -- I'm a full professor of dermatology and medicine at UCLA. OK, I invented minimally invasive aesthetics. I think I'm the best at what I do. You know, what I do is I'm still dealing with the FDA, trying to make the FDA a better place, because if we're going to fix medicine in America...

KING: I know. We did that last time. But I want to...

KLEIN: I know.

KING: Anything...

KLEIN: OK. Has it affected my practice?

Only to the degree that it's taken time away from treating patients, which is my primary purpose.

KING: But you haven't lost patients?

KLEIN: Not so -- not that I know of.

KING: OK.

What was it like to have your office searched?

KLEIN: It was horrible. This whole thing has been horrible.

GHAZARIAN: Well, let me clarify that. His office was never searched. There were records that were sought...

KING: Were taken?

GHAZARIAN: ...that were sought and we provided them voluntarily. The office was never -- no law enforcement agent ever set food in his office.

KLEIN: Right. You know, can I just say one thing? KING: Please.

KLEIN: They had meetings in front of my office, but they never came into my office.

KING: What as your reaction to the charge that it was homicide?

KLEIN: By -- by Dr. Murray?

KING: By whatever doctor.

KLEIN: You know, I think that he had...

KING: He hasn't been charged so...

KLEIN: He has not been charged. The grand jury is meeting. But I think you have to look at the picture -- the entire picture. And if you give him medicine without controlling it, it becomes a medical problem -- a severe medical problem. So I think when you deliver a certain medication, you have to be controlling it. But this is, again, something that lawyers would answer, not something that I would answer.

KING: OK. Other things on a different nature -- and I'll get back to this. You've never really said yes or no on fatherhood, those two...

KLEIN: That's not something I'll ever answer, because you know what, it -- it was buried with Michael. And that's not a question that I can ever answer, nor will I ever answer so...

KING: So you won't say no?

KLEIN: I won't answer it.

KING: Did you ever give him drugs?

KLEIN: Did I ever give him medication?

When I used to do surgical procedures on him I gave him medication. I once gave him a muscle relaxer for the last seven years and that was about it, to the extent of giving him anything. I never gave him anything to take home that was addicting. I mean I was aware that he had used Propofol, this drug we talk about a lot, before, which is a drug of addiction that people don't know and it's very poorly controlled by the government.

KING: That's usually given in different circumstances.

KLEIN: It's given under anesthesia...

KING: Yes.

KLEIN: ...by someone with proper monitoring.

KING: Did you ever tell Michael, as his friend, to get help? KLEIN: I -- I made two interventions on Michael myself. I made an intervention on Michael in Las Vegas. I flew to Las Vegas to intervene and threw the doctors out of the room when they were giving him drugs. And I also did a second intervention on him after he appeared in Mexico and got him help. And he went, at that point, to England and he withdrew.

So I made him very much aware that in the '90s, he was given a great deal of Propofol by a physician. And I, you know, went through a whole situation with him and told him this was a very dangerous drug, that it was addicting.

KING: Do you agree it was homicide?

KLEIN: It's very hard for me to say because I wasn't there, but I feel if a doctor gives a patient inappropriate things -- I can't use the term homicide.

(CROSSTALK)

KING: What is the correct term?

GHAZARIAN: Well, homicide is the death of a human being...

KING: I don't want to involve any named doctors...

GHAZARIAN: No, no. The homicide...

KING: So just what...

GHAZARIAN: Homicide, the definition of homicide is death of a human being by another, which means proximately caused by another. In order to determine that, one needs to have the entire set of facts before him or her to make a judgment call.

I don't think Dr. Klein or any one of us here has the entire set of facts. That's why I believe the grand jury is convening, to determine if charges ought to be filed and against whom, if any.

KING: Was he addicted?

KLEIN: I mean, you can be addicted to Propofol. It can be an addicting drug.

KING: You can.

KLEIN: And it's an addicting drug. And it's an addicting drug that usually you see mostly among doctors and nurses, because they have the adequate equipment to giving it to you. I did not know that he was getting Propofol.

(CROSSTALK)

KLEIN: So you ask me if he was addicted, I had no idea he was addicted. GHAZARIAN: There's a time context, Larry. Because when you say was he addicted, a person may be addicted in 1993, recover from the addiction and move on...

KING: And they're still called an addict.

GHAZARIAN: ...and be still called an addict. It doesn't mean that they are a practicing addict, obviously. So one may go beyond what one was once.

I believe Dr. Klein is talking about in the '90s -- mid-'90s or thereabouts, about some issues that he had intervened with.

KLEIN: You see, Bill Wilson, who founded A.A. Who I know, because I wrote a book on heroin addiction, which is when I first met him. When you talk to someone who's an addict, you always talk about someone recovering. But Propofol is not a drug that we commonly see addicting. It's now being abused more than everything ever since it's been mentioned (INAUDIBLE)...

KING: How do you go get it?

KLEIN: You get it by prescription. It's not really controlled that well, but you must be controlled with what's called a pulse oximeter, knowing the -- the heart rate and all those things while you use it.

KING: Do you think, Dr. Klein, that he could have done 50 concerts?

KLEIN: I think he was in great physical condition. I think the autopsy showed that he was in great physical condition. And I think he was -- you know, he was not this person without a nose that was portrayed initially in the press. The press has been hysterical and the press has been so sensational about me, about everything. There is no truth in the press anymore. I mean there's no truth anywhere anymore in what you read.

So I think he was totally capable of doing this. But they wanted to show him as a meek individual. Michael was far from meek. Michael was probably one of the most talented, strong -- and strong people I've ever met.

KING: Richard is he any -- is Dr. Klein in any civil trouble?

CHARNLEY: No, I don't think he's in any civil trouble. I don't think there's any connection between any procedures or medical care that was given by Dr. Klein in the several months leading up to Michael Jackson's death and the actual cause of death. And that would be the threshold that one would look at to determine.

KING: Got it.

Garo, has anyone officially said to you, he is cleared?

GHAZARIAN: No. No one has said so, but silence speaks for itself, as well. I will reserve judgment. But I have continued on with my duties. And the more I have uncovered, the more I have felt comfortable...

KLEIN: Have I been helpful with the -- with the investigation, though?

GHAZARIAN: Well, you know, Dr. Klein has been anybody...

KING: Cooperative.

GHAZARIAN: ...more than any client...

(CROSSTALK)

KING: Would you say you'd be shocked if he was charged with anything?

GHAZARIAN: I would be shocked, yes.

KING: We'll take a break.

We'll be right back with Arnold Klein and doctors -- with Dr. Klein and Garo Ghazarian and Richard Charnley.

Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: We're back with Dr. Arnold Klein and Garo Ghazarian and Richard Charnley. And we obviously are not through with this, as the investigation continues.

You never saw Michael administer Propofol, right -- or have it administered to him?

KLEIN: When -- I was there when he had surgery once. And, of course I saw the -- the anesthesiologist use medication on him (INAUDIBLE) milk of Magnesia. But I was not there when he was using it with Dr. Murray. I never even knew who Dr. Murray was. I had never met him.

KING: Well, he -- we're assuming --he -- we don't know anything. Dr. Murray may be under investigation and he may not. So I don't want to...

KLEIN: OK. We'll not say that.

KING: All right.

A judge ruled earlier this month that you have no legal standing to raise any concerns about the welfare of his three kids. The last time you were on this show, you did express concern.

KLEIN: No. I'll tell you why I went to court. That's what's so -- you know, again, it's -- it's wrong. I went there to make sure that their money would be their money, that the children's money would not be taken by the parents. And I succeeded in doing that. They separated the money from the children -- the trust from the children from the trust of the parents.

KING: Since you're not the father -- or you won't say whether you're the father or not, what do you care?

KLEIN: Because I care about the welfare of children.

KING: Do you think the parents would have harmed the children?

KLEIN: They wouldn't have harmed them, but I was worried about the money. Because you're dealing in a situation where people had no money. I mean the family had gone bankrupt. The parents had lost -- Jack -- Michael's father and mother had lost their house. Latoya was bankrupt. And I was worried they would seek out the children's money. So I wanted to make sure the money went to the children.

GHAZARIAN: He got what he wanted, Larry, because he wanted the court to appoint counsel for the minors. The court did that.

KLEIN: But that's what I wanted.

GHAZARIAN: By him intervening, that's what we wanted to accomplish.

KING: So his intervention helped?

GHAZARIAN: That's right.

KING: Do you have any idea when this investigation will be concluded?

GHAZARIAN: I'm told that it's going forward slow. The wheels of justice are slow and we have no problem with that.

KING: None. But might -- Dr. Klein might have a problem with this...

GHAZARIAN: He may.

KING: ...if it continues to affect him.

GHAZARIAN: He may. But he's -- he's been understanding.

KLEIN: Yes, I don't -- I think that I don't have the problem with it that I had before. I don't have paparazzi traveling around me. I don't have people using news conferences in front of my office. I really have done nothing wrong, so I don't see why I would have a problem with it.

I would have a problem with it if it really hurt my reputation. In the beginning, it prevented my patients -- all the paparazzi -- from coming to see me. And I have a problem with it because of one thing -- it prevents me from doing what I want to do, which is help people who -- and I want to work with the medical care system. I want to make the FDA less a greedy organization. KING: Don't all patients ask you about it?

KLEIN: Every single person asks me about it, because Michael Jackson was probably the best known entertainer of our generation. But they ask me about it not about my guilt and association, about my concern.

Don't forget, I lost my best friend.

KING: I understand.

As you look back and honestly look at yourself, do you ever say to yourself, I should have done something differently -- me?

KLEIN: I mean I don't know what I would have done differently (INAUDIBLE).

KING: I mean when you think, is there anything -- when you -- in retrospect?

KLEIN: Had I known, yes. But not knowing, I can't change it. Retrospect is (INAUDIBLE) we all would love to have. And we all...

KING: Yes. It's never wrong.

KLEIN: Never wrong. And I would like -- when I went skiing that one day, I wish I hadn't gone skiing and things like that.

But, you know, in retrospect, in the care of Michael Jackson, I was promising (INAUDIBLE) to him and to every single patient I see, I give the best possible care I know how to deliver.

KING: What kind of client is he, Richard?

CHARNLEY: Well, you know, I started working with Dr. Klein several weeks before Michael's death. I met him in his office. We enjoyed a good relationship. He has his point of view and he's -- he's one of these people that is very strong, has definite opinions and is what he call sort of a semi-high maintenance client. But...

KLEIN: High maintenance?

CHARNLEY: High maintenance.

CHARNLEY: But -- but I will tell you what...

KLEIN: What kind of doctor am I?

CHARNLEY: It's -- it's a great, great, great deal to work for him and he's a fantastic physician. I've been working with him for quite some time. And through all this media blitz we've had, not one person has ever, ever criticized a single thing that Dr. Klein has done medicinally.

KING: But since he's so bright, that could be annoying to others, though. CHARNLEY: Well, I don't see his words annoying. I think it's -- it's difficult sometimes when you have somebody that's out in the Mensa category to keep ahead of them.

KING: What is he like for you?

GHAZARIAN: He's a delight. He's a delight because, as a criminal defense attorney, I represent folks who oftentimes are accused of things and -- and then when I look at it, at first glance, I try and decipher the degree of culpability.

And with Dr. Klein, there is no degree of culpability.

So it's -- it's every defense attorney's dream to have him as a client.

KLEIN: And, you know, I like my lawyers because they're really honorable.

(CROSSTALK)

KLEIN: And I think that I'm pretty lucky to have them.

KING: We will have you back soon.

I want to do a show on the FDA with you.

KLEIN: I would love to do that.

KING: One other quick thing.

Have you gotten over the death yet?

KLEIN: I don't think I ever will be over the death.

I mean have you ever lost your father or your brother or anything like that?

KING: I sure have.

KLEIN: I have.

KING: You never get.

KLEIN: You're never quite the same. I will never be the same, because we lost the most talented man of our age. Like when Danny Kaye died...

KING: Yes.

KLEIN: I lost him and I still remember him well.

KING: Dr. Arnold Klein, Garo Ghazarian and Richard Charnley, we'll be calling on you again.

Thanks. KLEIN: Thanks, Larry.

CHARNLEY: Thank you very much.

GHAZARIAN: Thank you.

KING: We'll be back in 60 seconds with the tragic sweat lodge deaths in Arizona. Wait until you hear about this and hear pleas for help, too, in 60 seconds.

[Kashia]

sorry, konnte mit den Schleimbeutel nicht anschauen

[little_ghost]

Hab jetzt das Transcipt nur überflogen... aber ich hab das doch richtig verstanden, oder?
1. Mr Klein hatte KEINE Ahnung, dass Michael abhängig war hat aber
2. trotzem versucht 2x wegen Abhängigkeit zu intervenieren weil man ja von Propofol, das Michael
3. eigentlich nie bekam (Murray ist ja anscheinend auch irrtümlich unter Verdacht) abhängig werden kann
ich bin raus...
oder ich habs komplett falsch verstanden...

[Cassandra]

Hab jetzt das Transcipt nur überflogen... aber ich hab das doch richtig verstanden, oder?
1. Mr Klein hatte KEINE Ahnung, dass Michael abhängig war hat aber
2. trotzem versucht 2x wegen Abhängigkeit zu intervenieren weil man ja von Propofol, das Michael
3. eigentlich nie bekam (Murray ist ja anscheinend auch irrtümlich unter Verdacht) abhängig werden kann
ich bin raus...
oder ich habs komplett falsch verstanden...

Er sagte, er wusste nicht, dass Michael vor seinem Tod Propofol bekam, aber dass er es bei früheren Gelegenheiten verabreicht bekam.

Was mir noch auffällt: Sowohl Klein als auch einer seiner Anwälte erwähnen, dass eine Grand Jury tagt - sie sprechen in der Gegenwart - aber das stimmt doch gar nicht???? Ich meine, so etwas wäre doch kaum geheim geblieben, oder haben sie es nur hypothetisch gemeint? Eine echte Komikerbande, die drei.