K. Jackson-Klage gegen AEG- Der Prozess- Diskussion zum Prozess

[rip.michael]

Da Michael Jacobshagen kürzlich in grobem zusammenhang mit dem prozess durch die medien rauschte,
hier gibt's ein IV zu lesen samt dt. übersetzung.

[Christine3110]

ABC7 Court News @ABC7Courts 44m
On recross, Dr. Levounis was asked if MJ is an addict despite no drugs, no symptoms, no sign of use? Dr. say addict with no evidence..
Im Recross wird der Suchtexperte Dr. L. gefragt, ob MJ ein Süchtiger gewesen sei, obwoh es keine Drogen/Medis gab, keinerlei Symptome u. keine Anzeichen dafür, dass diese verkonsumiert wurden.
ABC7 Court News @ABC7Courts 47m
He said the term Addiction is widely used in the field.
Er sagte, es sei üblich den Begriff "Abhängigkeit" in diesem Fachgebiet zu verwenden.
ABC7 Court News @ABC7Courts 47m
Dr. Levounis also said that a person can be addicted to opiates without having to take them every few hours. Still have withdrawl symptoms
Dr. L. sagte auch, dass eine Person abhängig von Opiaten sein könne, auch wenn diese nicht ständig eingenommen werden würden. Man habe trotzdem Entzugserscheinungen.



verstehe einer diese sogenannten Experten. Das ist doch ne bescheuerte Aussage !

Der Presse ist es schnurz ob u. warum diese Fachidioten es so nennen...es wird dann sowas draus gemacht:

Passend zum Geburtstag von Michael Jackson kommen neue Details über den Drogenkonsum des verstorbenen King of Pop ans Licht. Angeblich habe der Musiker 15 Jahre exzessiv Drogen konsumiert.

[rip.michael]

Nurse details Michael Jackson's fatal search for sleep
By Alan Duke, CNN
August 29, 2013

Los Angeles (CNN) -- A nurse who tried to help Michael Jackson find sleep with vitamin infusions said the singer became convinced that propofol was the only cure for his insomnia.

Cherilyn Lee -- who specializes in holistic health care -- was called as a witness by AEG Live in its defense of the wrongful death lawsuit filed by Jackson's mother and children. But Jackson lawyers said they believe her testimony helped their case.

When she was shown a photo of Jackson six days before his death -- two months after she had last treated him -- she appeared shocked at his deterioration.

"Oh, my goodness," Lee said. "That's horrible!"

Lee testified Thursday that after Jackson awoke after just four hours of sleep after one of her treatments on April 19, 2009, he became "very agitated."

"He stood up on the bed and he looked at me and at 4:30 in the morning, it kind of scared me," Lee said. "It really startled me when he stared at me with his big brown eyes."

"I told you I cannot sleep all night," Lee said Jackson told her.

AEG expert: Jackson was a drug addict

Jackson allegedly asked Lee, who had been treating him with vitamins since early February, to find an anesthesiologist who could put him to sleep him with the surgical anesthetic propofol.

Lee refused, warning him it was unsafe. She testified that she told Jackson that any doctor who would give him propofol at home didn't care about him and was just doing it for the money.

That April 19, 2009, session was Lee's last time with Jackson.

Just over two weeks later -- on May 6 -- an AEG Live executive wrote in an e-mail that it was a "done deal" that Dr. Conrad Murray was being hired for $150,000 a month to serve as Jackson's full-time physician.

Murray told investigators that Jackson was infused with propofol every night for two months to treat his insomnia. The last treatment killed the singer, according to the coroner.

Jackson's mother and three children are suing AEG Live, contending the concert promoter is liable for his death because it negligently hired, retained or supervised Murray.

AEG Live lawyers contend it was Jackson who chose and controlled Murray and their executives had no way of knowing about the dangerous treatments being given in the privacy of Jackson's bedroom.

Lee's testimony concluded the 18th week of the wrongful death trial, which will continue into September.

She had glowing words for Jackson, who would have turned 55 on Thursday. "I haven't really met anyone who was so caring and so giving," she said.

"After his passing, a young lady walked up to me at an event and she just stared crying," Lee said. "She said, 'I wouldn't be here today if Michael hadn't come to the hospital and paid for my brain surgeries and he didn't want anyone to know.'"

Although called as a witness by AEG Live, Lee attacked their lawyers' contention that Jackson was "doctor shopping" for drugs. "All he was doing was looking for the best doctor to help with his insomnia," Lee said. "It just breaks my heart for people to label someone as doctor shopping when they're only trying to find the best doctor to give them the best care."

Jackson hired Lee to find natural treatments for his insomnia, she said. She began treating Jackson in his Los Angeles home on February 1, 2009, days after he signed a three-year contract with AEG Live for a world tour, which would start with 50 shows in London to debut in July.

"My concern was that he was drinking Red Bulls," she said. He drank several cans of the energy drink during their first meeting. "I was thinking his tiredness and fatigue was related to that."

"He told me whatever you tell me I need to do, I will do it." He stopped drinking cases of Red Bull, replacing the energy drinks with fresh organic juices, she said.

Jackson "started to feel really great" and "looked healthier" after a month of her IV treatments "Myers Cocktails," an infusion of Vitamin C and other nutrients, she testified.

But he still couldn't sleep more than five hours a night and with rehearsals for his "This Is It" tour cranking up in April "he needed something a little more," she testified.

Jackson rejected her recommendation that he have a sleep specialist visit his home to study his insomnia or that he cut down the lights and music in his bedroom, she said.

Earlier testimony suggested that Jackson had already given up on Lee's methods and decided that propofol, which German doctors had used to treat his insomnia during a 1997 tour, could be his answer for rest.

Jackson and Murray tried to recruit a Las Vegas anesthesiologist to join them on the tour in late March 2009, according to Dr. David Adams' video testimony shown to jurors last week.

"I just need you to help me get my rest," Adams said Jackson told him. "They were pretty vague, but on hindsight I know what they were talking about."

By April 19, Jackson "wasn't quite himself," Lee testified. "He just seemed really stressed or something. He said at certain points he was under a lot of pressure to finish rehearsals and he said 'I've got to get my sleep so I can do this.'"

When Jackson told Lee he wanted her help in getting propofol infusions instead of the vitamin cocktail IVs, she researched the drug in her Physicians' Desk Reference manual.

"I remember telling him that it wasn't something he wanted to use at home," she said. "It wasn't a safe medication. It was definitely not a medication for insomnia."

Lee's handwritten notes from that day described their conversation: "I went as far as to say I understand you want a good night sleep -- want to be 'knocked out' -- but what if you don't wake up," she wrote. "He said 'I'll be ok. I only need someone to monitor me with equipment while I sleep.'"

Jackson "kept telling me 'You don't understand, doctors are telling me it's safe just as long as I am being monitored,'" Lee testified.

Lee collapsed on the witness stand Wednesday after describing her unsuccessful attempt to convince Jackson not to use propofol. "It's so unfair," she cried. "I am so sick."

"I can't do this anymore! I can't do this anymore," Lee cried.

As Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos recessed court for the day and sent jurors out, AEG Live lawyer Sabrina Strong, who was sitting in the rear of the courtroom, ran to the witness stand to console the witness.

"That's not appropriate," Jackson lead lawyer Brian Panish protested. "Lawyers don't do that. It's not appropriate for lawyers to come out of the audience in front of the jury."

"Appropriate or not, it happened," Palazuelos said.

Panish argued that Strong was trying to "curry favor" with the jury by appearing compassionate. He demanded that the judge admonish her in front of the jury. The judge suggested he put his request in writing for her to consider.

Jackson's belief that propofol could help him sleep dated back to the late 1990s, according to another witness who testified Wednesday.

Dr. Catherine Quinn, a dentist who specializes in giving anesthesia during dental procedures, said Jackson asked her to infuse him with propofol in 1998.

"He told me that he has trouble sleeping," Quinn testified.

"I said that's inappropriate use of anesthesia," Quinn said. "He needs to speak with his physician about sleep aids. I told him that the sleep that you get with anesthesia is not real sleep, it's not restful sleep. He told me that it's the best sleep he ever had."

AEG Live expert: MJ was an addict

A drug addiction expert who testified Tuesday that Michael Jackson suffered a "quite extensive" drug addiction acknowledged Wednesday there was no evidence the singer used more painkillers than medically necessary.

The conclusion by Dr. Petros Levounis that Jackson was dependent on painkillers was not a revelation, considering Jackson himself announced it when he cut his "Dangerous" tour short to enter a rehab program in 1993.

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"If he announced it to the world it's not very private, is it?" Jackson lawyer Michael Koskoff asked Levounis.

"At that moment, he was not secretive," Levounis replied.

Jackson's drugs of choice were opioids -- painkillers given to him by doctors repairing scalp injuries suffered in a fire and during cosmetic procedures to make him look younger, Levounis testified.

Labeling Jackson an addict could tarnish the singer's image among jurors, but its relevance to AEG Live's liability is questionable. Opioids played no role in Jackson's death, according to the Los Angeles County coroner. The judge would not allow Levounis to testify if he thought Jackson was addicted to propofol.

Levounis conceded he saw no evidence that Jackson used painkillers after he left rehab in 1993 until 2001 or between July 2003 and late 2008. He said it is not inconsistent for an addiction to go into remission.

Under cross examination Wednesday morning, Levounis conceded that he never saw evidence that Jackson injected himself with narcotics, ever sought or used illegal drugs such as cocaine, meth or heroin, or abused drugs to produce euphoria or get high.

There was also no evidence Jackson used more painkillers than doctors prescribed, he said.

Jackson lawyers have never disputed the singer's drug dependence. In fact, they contend that AEG Live executives, including one who was Jackson's tour manager when he entered rehab, were negligent for paying a doctor $150,000 a month just to treat Jackson. The high salary created a conflict for the debt-ridden Murray, making it difficult for him to say no to Jackson's demands for drugs.

Paul Gongaware, the AEG Live co-CEO who was in charge of Jackson's 2009 "This Is It" tour, was also tour manager for his "Dangerous" tour in 1993. Levounis acknowledged in testimony Wednesday that there was evidence that Gongaware knew about Jackson's painkiller addiction 15 years before his death.

Levounis' testimony about the dangers of a doctor being too friendly with an addicted patient, which he said Murray was, could help the Jacksons' case.

"A very close friendship between an addicted patient and a doctor is problematic," Levounis testified. "It makes it much easier for a patient to ask for drugs and it makes it more difficult for a provider to resist."

The medical records of Murray's treatment of Jackson between 2006 and 2008 -- when the singer lived in Las Vegas -- showed no painkillers prescribed during seven visits. Murray's notes did show he treated Jackson's complaints of insomnia with a sedative in 2008.

Quelle

[Christine3110]

A drug addiction expert who testified Tuesday that Michael Jackson suffered a "quite extensive" drug addiction acknowledged Wednesday there was no evidence the singer used more painkillers than medically necessary.

Ein Suchtexperte, der am Dienstag aussagte, dass MJ schwerst abhängig war, bestätigte am Mittwoch, dass es keinerlei Beweise dafür gebe, dass der Sänger mehr Schmerzmittel einnahm, als medizin. notwendig.

[Lena]

Seit gestern ist ja mal wieder Prozess, gestern und auch heute ist Dr. Earley im Stand, ein Propofolexperte. AEG sagt das sie Ende der nächste Woche fertig sind. Putnam sagt er hat nur noch 2 oder 3 Live-Zeugen, die Namen wurden nicht genannt. Freitag werden nur Depostionen abgespielt. Die ehemaligen MJ-Ärzte van Valin, Metzger und Ratner. Desweiteren der Suchtexperte Shimelman. Hierbei pikant, dass Shimelman ein Experte der Jacksons ist und von diesen bezahlt wurde. Jacksons stellten Antrag das Abspielen der Deposition zu verhindern. Wurde vom Gericht aber erlaubt.

Nach dem AEG-Abschluss kommt noch die Rebuttal-Phase. Unklar wie viel Zeugen hier noch vorgeladen werden. Für die Schlußargumentation erhält wahrscheinlich jede Partei 4 Stunden Zeit.




Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP 20m
One of the issues the lawyers argued about this morning was related to Dr. Earley’s testimony about a study he published on propofol.
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A lot of these details will get fleshed out in the next couple of weeks. But clearly, the case is winding down.
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Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP 21m
The lawyers and the judge also have to decide how long each side will have for closing arguments. Closings may be 4 hours apiece, or less.
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Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP 21m
The attorneys have a fair amount of work to do on jury instructions and the verdict form before the end of the case.
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There will be a rebuttal case, but it’s unclear how many witnesses will be called. Putnam said he may challenge some of the witnesses.
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Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP 21m
Putnam said he’s only got two or three more live witnesses but didn’t name them. Friday will be a day of video testimony.
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Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP 21m
It sounds like AEG Live’s case will be done by the end of next week at the latest. Defense attorney Marvin Putnam said it may be done sooner
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Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP 21m
Testimony got started late today because there were lengthy discussions about the next steps in the case and Earley’s testimony.
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Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP 22m
Some of Earley’s deposition was played early in the case by the plaintiffs, but he’s here today testifying as a defense expert.
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[Lena]

Gestern kein Prozess, nur Anträge wurden bearbeitet.

Heute wie bereits bekannt werden die weiteren Videodepositionen der bereits genannten Ärzte gezeigt, dann geht es kommenden Dienstag weiter.
Zudem wird AEG nun offensichtlich 7 weitere Livezeugen vorladen. 3 davon am Dienstag.
Unter den Livezeugen wie ja bereits angekündigt wohl in jedem Fall nochmals Prince und Kathrine. Meines Erachtens dürfte ja auch Rebbie noch nicht unter den Tisch gefallen sein.

[rip.michael]

Ist erdmännchen Grace immer noch im loch?

[Lena]

Alan Duke @AlanDukeCNN 55m

AEG Live now says it will likely rest without calling any more live witnesses. Jackson lawyers set to start rebuttal witnesses next week.
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Nun vermeldet Alan Duke, dass AEG wahrscheinlich gar keine Live-Zeugen mehr einberufen will.

[rip.michael]

... mal sehen, ob A. Duke recht behält.

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MJ said no but Dr. Van Valin knew he was lying. He told MJ that more Demerol could kill him. He told MJ he couldn't but did anyway.
MJ sagte nein, aber Dr. Van Valin wusste, dass er gelogen hat. Er sagte MJ, dass mehr Demerol ihn töten könnte . Er sagte MJ er konnte nicht , aber tat es trotzdem .
Öffnen
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that time he noticed a drop of blood on MJ's shirt and a band aid. He asked MJ if another Dr. was giving him pain meds.
zu der Zeit bemerkte er einen Tropfen Blut auf MJs Hemd und ein Pflaster . Er fragte, ob ein anderer Dr. MJ ein Schmerzmittel gegeben hat .
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Kann ich offen gestanden gar nicht nachvollziehen:
Wenn ein arzt bemerkt, der pat. hat wahrscheinlich nicht die wahrheit gesagt und er warnt ihn noch wegen der sehr ernsten gefahr des noch mehr von Demerol ... und trotzdem verabrechte er ihm trotzdem eine weitere dosis .... und das ohne genaue kenntnis, wann und wie viel MJ vorher schon bekommen hatte.
Das löst bei mir nur anhaltendes kopfschütteln aus.

MJ hatte bei der aktion wohl absolut wenig bedenken (auch was die ehrlichkeit gegenüber seinem arzt/seinen ärzten bedeutete) ... ich frage mich, was der springende punkt war, dass der doc so handelte wie er schliesslich handelte.
Das wirft meiner meinung nach kein unbedingt positives licht auf beide, patient wie doc

[Lena]

Man müsste noch mal in die Orginal-Van Valin-Aussage schauen. Im CNN-Artikel hört es sich für mich eher so an, dass Van Vailin augesagt hat, dass er ihm Demorol gab und dann entdeckte, dass er offensichtlich schon einen Schuss erhielt und er nach dem Vorfall offensichtlich keinen weiteren (Demorol)behandlungen mehr machte.

[rip.michael]

.... ich hab eigentlich mehr nach den inhalten der tweets gekuckt ... da stellt sich das ganze eher anders rum dar.
Okay, als kleine widersprüchlichkeit verbucht ... ich kenne die original protokolle nicht ...

[Lena]

.... ich hab eigentlich mehr nach den inhalten der tweets gekuckt ... da stellt sich das ganze eher anders rum dar.

eben, deswegen müsste man die Aussage im Protokoll nachlesen. Ich muss sagen die Tweets fand ich seltsamerweise diesmal im Verhältnis zu sonst teils unklar. Der CNN-Artikel sagt es andersrum aus.


Während der Arzt sagte, " das nichts angedeutet hat " , dass Jackson missbrauchte Schmerzmittel, gab es einen Zwischenfall während eines Hausbesuches im Jahr 2002 der dazu führte, dass er vermutete,Jackson könnte eine weitere Aufnahme des mächtigen Opioids Demerol von einem anderen Arzt erhalten haben.
Er bemerkte, " ein wenig Blut " auf Jacksons -T- Shirt , nachdem er ihm einen Schuss gab , sagte er.
"Ich hob es auf und es gibt ein Pflaster darüber und ich sagte , ' Michael ', sagte ich, " Sie haben einen anderen Arzt, der Dir einen Schuss gab . " Ich sagte: " Du weiß welches Risiko Du Dich selbst und mich aussetzt. Wer kam und gab Dir einen Schuss ? " Oh , nein, Es war es nicht ein Schuss ' " Van Valin sagte. "Aber es war es . Er log .

[Brigitte 58]

kaum zu glauben für mich diese ganzen geschichten.

[rip.michael]

Michael Jackson's former doctor had suspicions about singer's drug-use
Friday, September 06, 2013

(Video enthalten, mit ausschnitten aus der depo. von Dr. Van Valin)

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- In the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial, a doctor who treated Jackson in the past talked about the pop star's use of a potentially dangerous painkiller.

It was the collapse of a stage bridge in 1999 that injured Jackson's back, according to Dr. William Van Valin, who treated him for pain two years later.

In a video shown in court, Jackson kept singing as if nothing had happened, but that's not what Jackson told Van Valin.

In a video deposition, Van Valin testified that Jackson's injury was real. For a year, he made house calls to Neverland Ranch to give the singer injections of the painkiller Demerol in growing amounts. But doubts began to build.

Van Valin suspected Jackson was getting Demerol from someone else at the same time. Jackson appeared high.

"It was a bit scary. I sat there with him until it went away," said Van Valin.

One day, the doctor saw a band aid on Jackson, covering a needle mark.

"I said, 'Michael, you have another doctor that gave you a shot. You realize what risk you put yourself and me at by doing that? Who came and gave you a shot?'" said Van Valin.

According to Van Valin, Jackson's response was that he didn't get a shot from another doctor.

"But it was. He was lying," said Van Valin.

Another incident that disturbed Van Valin was when Jackson showed him a box of the anesthetic propofol, which he said he used to sleep while on tour. Propofol is the anesthetic that ultimately caused Jackson's death.

Katherine Jackson blames Jackson's tour promoter AEG Live for allegedly hiring Dr. Conrad Murray, who was attending the star when he died. AEG says Jackson's habit with meds began decades before. The defense team shows a pattern of Jackson befriending multiple doctors at the same time, giving each the same impression that Van Valin had.

"In my opinion, and I think in Michael's too, we were best friends. I didn't have a better friend, and I don't think he did," Van Valin said.

The defense says they may complete their case by the middle of next week. The plaintiffs are told to be ready with their rebuttal case.

(Copyright ©2013 KABC-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)

[Christine3110]

Die Richterin hat heute entschieden, dass PG u. RP nicht länger Beklagte sind. Sie ist der Ansicht, dass die Jackson-Anwälte es während des Prozesses nicht beweisen konnten, dass beide Herren für den Tod v. MJ mit verantwortlich seien.

By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, AP Entertainment Writer

Updated: Monday, September 9, 2013, 2:35 PM EDT
Published: Monday, September 9, 2013, 2:35 PM EDT

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge has dismissed two executives from a negligence lawsuit filed by Michael Jackson's mother against the promoters of his planned comeback concerts.

Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos ruled Monday that lawyers for Katherine Jackson hadn't proven claims that Randy Phillips, CEO of AEG Live LLC, and promoter Paul Gongaware could be held responsible the death of the pop star.

The judge ruled that a jury should determine whether AEG Live hired the doctor later convicted of giving Michael Jackson a lethal overdose of anesthetic in June 2009.

Katherine Jackson's lawyers have attacked the actions of Gongaware and Phillips during the months leading to the death. They have claimed the men missed warning signs about the superstar's health and created a conflict of interest for his physician.

AEG Live denies any wrongdoing.

http://www.fox43tv.com/news/national/judge-dismisses-aeg-execs-from-jackson-lawsuit_54070433