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  • The Jacksons vs. AEG Live — Zeugen von AEG, 10. Teil

    13. August 2013

    Am Freitag vergangener Woche wurde der Jury Randy Jacksons eidesstattliche Zeugeneinvernahme gezeigt, die vor dem Prozess auf Video aufgenommen wurde. Die Familie habe seit den 90er Jahren aus Sorge über Michaels Medikamentengebrauch zehn Interventionen versucht. Im Jahr 2005 wurde Randy in Beverly Hills Zeuge einer Beinahe-Überdosis.

    Randy sagte, dass im Jahr 2005, während dem Prozess in Santa Barbara, das Kindermädchen Grace Rwaramba ein verschreibungspflichtiges Medikamentenpflaster an Michaels Körper anbrachte. Deswegen habe Michael dann „unter dem Einfluss“ in ein Spital gebracht werden müssen, zum Zeitpunkt, als er eigentlich vor Gericht hätte sein müssen.

    Randy arbeitete damals als General-Manager für seinen älteren Bruder.

    Der Vorfall dann, der eventuell gefährlich nah an einer Überdosis war, fand nach Michaels Freispruch statt. Randy erhielt ein Telefonat von Grace Rwaramba, die ihm in Panik mitteilte, dass Michael zu viel eines mit ihrem Namen besorgten Medikamentes genommen hatte. Sein Bruder sei verpeilt gewesen und habe undeutlich gesprochen. Michaels Kinder und Gäste waren während dessen im Innern der Residenz. Michael lebte nach dem Freispruch in einem Haus in Beverly Hills mit dem Namen „Shadow Wood“.

    „Er stand zweifellos unter dem Einfluss von etwas, was seine normale Funktionsfährigkeit veränderte“, sagte Randy Jackson. Er habe dann alle Medikamente, die er finden konnte, eingesammelt und war unten im Haus, um etwas zu essen, als er vernahm, dass Michael kollabiert sei. Randy sagte, er habe ihn vom Boden aufgelesen, in ein Bett gelegt und sei um den Ecken gerannt, um einen Doktor zu organisieren. Dieser habe dann Michael etwas verabreicht, um die Wirkung der Medikamente abzuschwächen und habe angewiesen, nicht von Michaels Seite zu weichen und bei ihm zu schlafen, um eingreifen zu können, falls er erbreche. Randy sagt, er sei über Grace Rwaramba verärgert gewesen, da sie Medikamente für Michael besorgte und er das ausbaden musste.

    Randy erwähnte nicht weniger als zehn Interventionsversuche der Familie, begonnen in Taiwan während einer Tournee (wohl Dangerous Tour 1993), in einem New Yorker Hotel im Jahr 2000, etwa fünf oder vier Überraschungsbesuche in Neverland zwischen 2000 und 2004, und ein Versuch in Las Vegas, nach dem zermürbenden Missbrauchsprozess.

    Randy sagt, dass fast immer ein Anruf von Grace Rwaramba vorangegangen sei, wenn er eingreifen wollte. „Wann immer sie in der Nähe war, war er benommen.“ Später habe er Rwaramba gefeuert, dies, nachdem er sie in einer Apotheke antraf, in der sie für Michael rezeptpflichtige Medikamente besorgte.

    Michael habe jeweils abgelehnt in eine Rehabilitationsklinik zu gehen und seiner Familie gesagt, es gehe ihm gut. Er habe das Eingreifen der Familie nicht gemocht. Doch Randy war sich sicher, dass sein Bruder ein Problem hatte. Er teilte seine Befürchtungen, Michael könnte abhängig sein, in einem Schreiben an seine Geschwister und Eltern und forderte sie auf, etwas zu tun. „Ich stellte sicher, dass jeder es wusste. Ich würde sagen er hat – er war ein Abhängiger, und an diesem Punkt sind Abhängige sind nicht allzu verantwortlich dafür, was sie tun.“

    Bei den Interventionen seien meistens Rebbie und Janet dabei gewesen, ebenso Tito, Marlon und sein Vater Joe Jackson. Ihre Mutter Katherine sei nur ein- oder zweimal dabei gewesen.

    Michael habe sich isoliert und die Familie auf Abstand gehalten. “Michael wollte nicht zu oft um die Familie sein, weil er nicht wollte, dass sie ihn so sehen“, sagt Randy. „Er hat sich vor mir versteckt.“ Einmal hätten er und Janet professionelle Suchtspezialisten hinzugezogen.

    „Ich fürchtete mich nicht, nein zu ihm zu sagen“, so Randy. Michael sei sogar tätlich geworden. Mit einem Lächeln fügte er hinzu, dass ihm sein Bruder nichts anhaben konnte, da Michael nur so um die 90 Pfund wog.

    Früher pflegten die Randy und Michael ein enges Verhältnis – bis in die Jacksons Jahre. Michael und Randy schrieben einige von dessen stärksten Songs wie Shake Your Body, Lovely One oder That`s What You Get (for being polite).

    Auf die Frage, ob seine Mutter Katherine auch glaubte, Michael habe ein Problem, sagte Randy, sie habe das verdrängt. „Sie wollte es nicht glauben“, so Randy in der vor Prozessstart aufgenommenen eidesstattlichen Befragung. Michael habe ausserdem gewusst, wie er sie besänftigen konnte.

    Von Propofol hatte Randy bis nach dem 25. Juni noch nie gehört. Er habe in den Fünf Jahren vor Michaels Tod kaum mit ihm gesprochen.

    Als er und sein Vater Joe einige Wochen vor dem tragischen 25. Juni eingreifen wollten, wurde ihnen von den Sicherheitsleuten der Zutritt zu Michaels Villa in Los Angeles verwehrt. Sie hätten gehört, dass er nicht gut ausschaue. „Da war eine Medikamenten-Problem“, sagt Randy Jackson. „Er ass nicht. Alle diese Dinge geschahen zur selben Zeit, und sie wissen, eine Menge Druck.“

    Die Anwälte von Katherine Jackson und Michaels Kinder bestreiten nicht, dass Michael Probleme mit verschreibungspflichtigen Medikamenten hatte, doch es habe auch lange Zeigen gegeben, in denen Michael keine Medikamente nahm. Der Medikamenten-Gebrauch sei auf die Kopfhaut-Verbrennungen des Pepsi Unfalles 1984 und auf einige Unfälle auf der Bühne zurück zu führen.

    Auch Randy gab in seiner Aussage zu Protokoll, dass er Michael zu einem Zeitpunkt von den Medikamenten wegbringen konnte. Doch er habe wieder damit angefangen, bevor der Kindsmissbrauchprozess in Santa Maria losging. Obwohl die Vorwürfe ungeheuerlich waren, denen Michael ausgesetzt war, und sein Privatleben nun für die ganze Öffentlichkeit zugänglich ausgebreitet wurde, wusste Randy, dass Michaels tägliche Präsenz im Gerichtssaal wichtig und Pflicht war. So habe er ihre ältere Schwester Rebbie gebeten, Michael nahe zu sein und ihn gut im Auge zu behalten, „da ich ihn jeden Tag in diesem Gerichtssaal haben, und er das durchstehen musste.“ Der Vorfall, als Michael in ein Spital musste sie gewesen, „da Michael nicht vor Gericht gehen wollte.“ Er habe ihn im Spital richtig überreden müssen, damit er schliesslich doch noch ging und sich auch an jenem Tag den Vorwürfen stellte. Die Medien vermuten, dass die Rede vom berühmten Pijama-Tag war.

    Obwohl Randy Jackson von den AEG Anwälten mehrere Stunden befragt wurde, zeigten diese der Jury nur etwa eine Stunde seiner Aussagen, in denen es mehrheitlich um Medikamente ging.

    Quelle: jackson.ch, nydailynews.com, abclocal.go.com, cnn.com, belfasttelegraph.co.uk

    Weiterlesen unter http://www.jackson.ch/the-jacksons-v...-aeg-9-teil-2/
    Copyright © jackson.ch
    Zuletzt geändert von geli2709; 14.08.2013, 18:06.

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    • Jackson's ex-wife testifies about his fear of pain

      By ANTHONY McCARTNEY
      — Aug. 14 3:19 PM EDT

      LOS ANGELES (AP) — Michael Jackson's ex-wife broke into tears on Wednesday when she took the witness stand in a civil case and described the singer's fear of pain and trust of physicians.

      Rowe said the pop star trusted doctors to prescribe pain medication to him, but they sometimes tried to outdo each other while losing sight of Jackson's care.

      "Michael had a very low pain tolerance and his fear of pain was incredible," Rowe said. "I think the doctors took advantage of him that way."
      "Michael hatte eine sehr geringe Schmerztoleranz und eine unglaubliche Furcht vor Schmerzen" sagt Rowe. Ich denke die Äzrte haben ihn in dieser Weise ausgenutzt."

      She said she was with Jackson when he received treatments from his longtime dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein and from another physician, Dr. Steven Hoefflin. The two doctors would try to out-do each other in the pain medications they gave the singer, she said.
      Sie sagt wie war bei Jackson als er Behanldung von seinem Langzeit-Hautarzt Dr. A. Klein erhielt und einem anderen Arzt Dr. Steven Hoefflin. Die beiden Ärzte würden sich gegseitig ausstechen darin dem Sänger Schmerzmittel zugeben", sagt sie.

      "These idiots were going back and forth the whole time, not caring about him," Rowe told jurors.
      "Diese Iditoten gingen zurück und vor die ganze Zeit, kümmerten sich nicht um ihn" sagt Rowe den Juroren.

      Rowe is the mother of the singer's two oldest children, Prince and Paris Jackson. She and the pop star were married from 1996 to 1999. Rowe also worked with Klein.

      Rowe said she told another one of Jackson's doctors, Allan Metzger, that she was concerned that Klein and Hoefflin were giving the singer too many medications.
      Rowe sagt das sie dies einem anderern Arzt, Dr. Allan Metzger erzählte, dass sie besorgt darüber war das Klein und Hoefflin dem Sänger zu viele Medikamente gaben.

      "The only physician who ever did anything, the only physician who cared for Michael was Allan Metzger," Rowe said, fighting back tears.
      "Der einzige Arzt, der jemals was tat, der einzige Arzt der sich um Michael kümmerte war Allan Metzger" sagte Rowe als sie mit Tränen kämpfte.

      She said Jackson respected doctors immensely because they went to school and vowed to do no harm to patients.
      Sie sagt das Jackson ungemein Ärzte respektierte, weil sie zur Schule gingen und sich verpflichteten bei Patienten keinen Schaden zu verursachen.

      Katherine Jackson claims in her lawsuit that AEG Live failed to properly investigate the doctor convicted of giving her son an overdose of anesthetic in 2009. AEG denies any wrongdoing.

      ___

      Anthony McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP


      Edit:

      Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 13m
      Debbie Rowe has been quite emotional so far, wiping away tears for at least half of her testimony so far.
      Debbie Rowe ist sehr emotional bislang, kämpft mit den Tränen über die Hälfte der Aussage so weit.

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      • LA-Times

        Debbie Rowe: Michael Jackson's doctors competed to give pain meds

        By Jeff Gottlieb
        August 14, 2013, 1:51 p.m.
        Often in tears, Michael Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe testified Wednesday that doctors seemed in competition to see who could give him the most powerful painkillers.
        Oft in Tränen sagt MJs Ex-frau Debbie Rowe am Mittwoch aus, das Doktoren in Konkurrenz waren Jackson das stärkste Schmerzmittel zu geben.

        “Michael had a very low pain tolerance, and his fear of pain was incredible, and I think the doctors took advantage of him that way,” said Rowe, the mother of the singer's two oldest children.
        "Michael hatte eine wirklich geringe Schmerztoleranz und seine Angst vor Schmerzen war groß und ich denke die Ärzte nutzten ihn in dieser Weise aus" sagt Rowe, Mutter der 2 ältesten Kinder des Sängers.


        Rowe spoke in a folksy, informal manner on the stand, coming across as someone who truly cared about the singer.
        Rowe sprach in einer volkstümlichen, informellen Weise im Stand, kam rüber als jemand der sich wirlich um den Sänger kümmerte.

        Rowe said that dermatologist Arnold Klein took over Jackson's pain management but that plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin would call the singer and say, "I have a better drug."
        Rowe sagt das der Hautarzt A. Klein Jackson Schmerzmanagement übernahm, aber der plast. Chirug Steven Hoefflin würde den Sänger anrufen und sagen "Ich habe ein besseres Medikament."

        At one point, she said, she found a bottle of the powerful drug dilaudid on Jackson's counter that Hoefflin had prescribed. She said she told Jackson not to take it.
        An einem Punkt sagt sie fand sie eine Flasche eines starken Mittels Dilaudid in Jacksons Ecke, die ihm Hoefflin verschrieb. Sie sagte Jackson er solle es nicht nehmen.

        “These idiots were going back and forth the whole time not caring about him," she testified.
        "Diese Idioten gingen vor und zurück die ganze Zeit und kümmerten sich nicht um ihn" sagt sie.

        Rowe, who worked for Klein, said she was concerned that Jackson was not getting better.

        “Klein was not doing what was best for Michael," she said. "The only physician who who ever cared for Michael was Allan Metzger,” his internist, who was treating Jackson for lupus.
        "Klein machte nicht was am besten war für Michael" sagt sie. Der einzige Arzt der sie jemals um ihn kümmerte war A. Metzger", sein Internist, der Jackson wegen [lexicon]Lupus[/lexicon] behandelte.

        She said Jackson began receiving pain medication after his scalp was burned during the filming of a Pepsi commercial.
        Sie sagt Jackson begann Schmerzmittel zu erhalten nach seiner Kopfhautverbreunnung von einem Pepsi-Commercial.

        Rowe said she was with Jackson about 10 times when Hoefflin gave him the anesthetic propofol when he was undergoing various procedures, such as collagen and botox injections. She said Klein also gave him propofol. She said Klein had five or six other patients whom he knocked out when they were undergoing cosmetic procedures.
        Rowe sagt, dass sie ca. 10mal mit Jackson bei Hoefflin war wo er ihm Propofol gab während er unterschiedliche Prozeduren machte wie Collagen und Botox-Injektionen. Sie sagt Klein gab ihm auch Propofol. Sie sagt das Klein 5 oder 6 andere Patienten hatte, die er ausnockte wenn sie sich kosmet. Behandlungen unterzogen.

        She said there were times when extensive scarring in Jackson's nose made it difficult for him to breathe and that he needed a painful injection of steroids in his nose to bring down the swelling.
        Sie sagte, es gab Zeiten, da umfangreiche Narbenbildung in Jacksons Nase es schwierig für ihn machten zu atmen und er brauchte eine schmerzhafte Injektion von Steroiden in seine Nase, um die Schwellung herunterzubringen.

        On at least two occasions, Hoefflin put Jackson out with propofol and didn't do anything other than put tape in his nose, Rowe testified.
        Bei mind. 2 Gelegenheiten hat Hoefflin Jackson unter Propofol gesetzt und machte nichts anderes als ihm Nasentaps in die Nase zu geben, sagte Rowe aus.

        However, she said she was not aware of Jackson ever going to Hoefflin's office because he was feeling stress or needed sleep.
        Allerdings war ihr nicht bekannt das Jackson jemals zu Hoefflins Praxis ging wegen Stress oder Schlafbedarf.

        Rowe said she met Jackson while working for Klein as an assistant who took patient histories and helped schedule appointments with the dermatologist and other doctors. She said she met Jackson when Klein called her in on a weekend in the early 1980s.
        Sie sagte sie traf Jackson als Klein sie an einem Wochenende in den frühen 1980er anrief.

        "I opened the door to the room and Michael was there. I introduced myself and I said, 'Nobody does what you do better. Nobody. You are amazing, but nobody does what I do better. I am amazing and if we could do these amazing things on regular time, I would appreciate it.'”
        "Ich öffente die Tür im Raum und Michael war da. Ich stellte mich selbst vor und sagte "Niemand macht besser was Du tust. Niemand. Du bist wunderbar, aber niemand macht was ich ich mache besser. Ich bin wunderbar und wenn wir diese wunderbaren Sachen in regulärer Arbeitszeit machen können, würde ich es wertschätzen."

        Rowe was called as a witness by concert promoter and producer AEG Live. Jackson's mother and three children are suing AEG for wrongful death. They say the firm negligently hired and supervised Conrad Murray, who gave Jackson a fatal overdose of propofol in June 2009. AEG says that Jackson hired the doctor and that any money the firm was supposed to pay Murray was an advance to the singer.
        Zuletzt geändert von Lena; 15.08.2013, 00:16.

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        • Jacksons vs AEG - Day 66 – August 9 2013 – Summary

          Katherine Jackson is not present in court.

          Source : ABC7 unless otherwise indicated


          Kathy Jorrie Testimony


          AEG redirect

          Kathy Jorrie is back on the stand. Jessica Stebbins Bina resumed re-direct examination. Bina showed Jorrie MJ's contract. Paragraph 13: Artistco hereby represents/warrants that Artist does not posses any known health condition injuries or ailments that would reasonably be expected to interfers with Artist's first class performance.

          Bina: Who signed this?
          Jorrie: Michael Jackson.
          Bina: So MJ represented that he did not have any health condition that would interfere with his performance?
          Jorrie: I never had any information that MJ was not in good health.
          Bina: Drug problems?
          J: None whatsoever
          Bina: Insomnia or sleep problems?
          Jorrie: Not in the least.

          Bina asked if Jorrie believed Tohme was an officer of MJ company. She said yes. Bina: Did Mr. Panish show any documents that he was not an officer? Jorrie: He did not. Regarding the email Dennis Hawk, MJ's attorney, sent Jorrie on January 14, 2009, she said they wanted to replace the name of MJ's company. Bina: Before Jun 28 you had been told Tohme was an officer of the MJ's company? Jorrie: Yes. It's usually the type of representation she gets. Bina asked if Jorrie was told on June 28, 2009 that Dr. Tohme was an officer of MJ's company when he received the consent document. Jorrie: That's my best recollection, I was informed that he was an officer of Michael Jackson's company. Jorrie said Tohme himself represented to her he was an officer of MJJ's company.

          Jorrie said the meeting on June 28, 2009 was called by John Branca, co-executor of MJ's Estate, co-executor John McClain was on the phone. She said Frank DiLeo and various AEG reps were also present at the meeting and Tohme was there speaking about things having to do with MJ. "Dr. Tohme was there discussing MJ's business in front of everybody," Jorrie testified. "Nobody challenged Dr. Tohme or his presence." Jorrie said Dr. Tohme signed this document. She said she has seen Frank DiLeo's signature as well approving the expenses. Jorrie: I'm aware that the Estate reimbursed some costs. Bina asked if Weitzman told her Tohme had been fired but nevertheless the Estate agreed to reimburse AEG for production costs. Jorrie: Correct

          Bina asked if Woolley forwarded Jorrie an email saying Dr. Murray was fully engaged in Mr. Jackson's treatment in May. She said no.

          Bina: Did it surprise you Dr. Murray was fully engaged and treating MJ in May 2009?
          Jorrie: No.
          Bina: Why not?
          Jorrie: Because I understood from Murray that he was MJ's personal physician for 3 yrs
          B: Did Murray tell you that?
          J: He did

          Bina asked if Jorrie told Dr. Murray to stop treating MJ until they had an agreement. She said no. Jorrie: The reason is that Dr. Murray was Mr. Jackson's physician and it would not be my place to tell him not to provide services. Jorrie said MJ had been his patient for many years.

          Bina: Did Dr. Murray need an agreement with AEG Live to treat patients?
          Jorrie: No, he did not need an agreement from AEG Live to perform services to his patients, including Michael Jackson.

          Jorrie read graph 9 of the contract, "Artist Consent." It says that without the express written consent of MJ the contract was not valid. Jorrie: This is an independent contract agreement. Dr. Murray was MJ's physicians, retained to and in the expense of the artist.

          Bina: You didn't put any provision for Dr. Murray to be supervised by AEG Live?
          Jorrie: Of course not.
          Bina: Are there any words in agreement that says Murray can only use medical equip approved, bought by AEG?
          Jorrie: There's no such wording. Jorrie said there was also no word about Dr. Murray having to use only equipment provided by AEG to treat Michael Jackson.
          Bina: Did Dr. Murray ever ask you for any equipment?
          Jorrie: No

          Bina asked about end date of contract. Original date was Sept. 2009, but Dr. Murray asked it to be changed to March 2010, Jorrie said. Bina asked Jorrie why she didn't check with MJ or his reps about changing the end date of the contract. Jorrie explained they were negotiating a contract to a place where Dr. Murray was happy with the agreement. She said it would then be presented to MJ and his representatives for approval.

          Bina: Did you ever send the signed agreement to MJ?
          Jorrie: No, I didn't.
          B: Why not?
          J: Michael Jackson passed away.

          Jorrie used as template an independent contract agreement used in the King Tut exhibition. It was between an individual and affiliate of AEG. There is no mention of artist consent in that contract, it was not a service to an artist. Jorrie said she took out the conflict provisions because they dealt with conflict of interest for the individual working for a competitor. She said that provision was no applicable to Murray. Jorrie also took out provision "Intellectual Property" since it was not applicable also.

          Bina asked if Jorrie's understanding was that Dr. Murray was making one million dollars a month. She said he understood his medical practice brought in a million dollars, from which he had to pay his expenses, nurses, medical equipments.

          Jorrie said from the conversation she had with Dr. Murray she did not understand he was going to close his medical practices to go on tour. "He told me he was leaving the practices to go on tour with MJ," Jorrie explained. Dr. Murray never told her he was closing his practices.

          Jorrie found that there were two places of businesses associated with Dr. Murray and his medical licenses. Jorrie: I found Dr. Murray was licensed to practice medicine in 4 states, no disciplinary action against him in any state. The clinics she found were in Nevada and Texas, Jorrie said. "The 2 places of businesses that I assumed were clinics." Jorrie: It was just spot check, I checked his medical licenses, there were no disciplinary actions, company was legit, everything matched. "I had no reason to doubt the information given to me was incorrect," Jorrie said. "There were no red flags." Jorrie: I didn't think it was my place to check Michael Jackson's physician, who he had for many years.


          Jackson recross

          Panish then did re-cross of Jorrie.

          Jorrie said GCA Holdings was a legitimate company, its license had not be suspended. Panish: Did you bill AEG for the research you did? Jorrie: It was 10 minutes of research and it was part of preparation of Murray's contract. Jorrie explained she would not have entered into the invoice a spot check of Dr. Murray's licenses/company. Panish: Does your time entry has anything about check you did on Murray? Jorrie said she needs to look at the documents to refresh memory.

          Jorrie said a red flag is when things come up that alerts her to evaluate further. Panish: There were no red flags raised in the 10-minute search you did on Dr. Murray, correct? Jorrie: That's correct. Jorrie said she was checking to make sure the information Dr. Murray gave her were correct.

          Panish: Did you ever do a google search for Michael Jackson Company? Jorrie: No. Jorrie said she went on to the Delaware Secretary of the State website to check Michael Jackson's company. Panish: MJ's company was a sole member LLC, wasn't it? Jorrie: That I don't recall when I looked at it. Jorrie said she believes she has a copy of the Delaware Secretary of the State of when she checked MJ's company. Panish: Did you bill your client for that work? Jorrie: I don't recall, I have to look at the time and see whether or not I billed them. Jorrie said she never received any document from Shawn Trell stating anyone else as officer of Michael Jackson's company. Panish: Did you ever contact Delaware Secretary of State to see if Dr. Tohme was an officer of MJ LLC? Jorrie: No. Jorrie did not contract John Branca, co-executor to be, to check if Dr. Tohme was an officer of MJ's LLC.

          Jorrie said Mr. Tohme did not sign the consent document in her presence. She gave him the document for review.
          Panish: Were you aware Dr. Tohme was supposed to get paid $200,000 for signing this document?
          Jorrie: I wasn't aware, sir.
          Panish: Were you aware the budget called to pay Dr. Murray $450,000?
          Jorrie: I was not aware, sir.

          Jorrie said the budget had to be approved prior to any payment. She testified she never asked Branca if Tohme was officer of MJ's company.


          Jorrie said she saw Dr. Murray was licensed for cardiovascular something. He was also licensed in internal medicine. Panish asked if there's such a things as cardiovascular license. "I told you what I remember seeing," Jorrie explained. Panish: Did you see his internal medicine license had lapsed in 2008? Jorrie: No, I don't remember seeing it. Panish: Is your testimony that Dr. Murray was licensed in internal medicine and cardiovascular? Jorrie: It's my testimony under oath that's what I saw 4 years ago, yes.

          Jorrie said she told Dr. Murray he would get paid once the contract was fully executed. Jorrie sent all drafts of the contract to Trell and AEG, but never sent them to Michael Jackson or his representatives. This was the 1st time Jorrie negotiated a contract for an artist's physician. She never researched about third party contract for artist/doc

          Jorrie said she did not go out of her way to check Dr. Murray's credit report, debts, outstanding child support claims. Panish asked if Jorrie was copied on any of the chain email "Trouble at the Front." She said she was not. Jorrie said the only medical check she's aware of that Michael Jackson underwent was for the insurance company.

          Jorrie said Howard Weitzman may have told her about the dispute in termination of Dr. Tohme.


          AEG redirect

          In re-re-direct, Bina asked: Why didn't you ask John Branca if Dr. Tohme was officer of the company? Jorrie said Branca was a co-executor to be and she believed he would not know the answer. He had been MJ's attorney for a week. Jorrie thought Dr. Tohme would be the most appropriate to ask whether he was an officer of MJ's company or not.

          Bina: Did u think there was conflict of interest in the contract? "I believe that there wasn't contractual conflict of interest" Jorrie said Jorrie explained MJ and Dr. Murray's interests were aligned, to treat him and keep him healthy while performing at the O2 arena.


          Jackson recross

          In re-re-cross, Panish asked if Jorrie has expertise in medical conflict of interest. She said she's not an expert in medical conflict.

          Jorrie said she read that Branca represented MJ about 10 years before.

          Panish: AEG didn't have to have a contract with Dr. Murray, right?
          Jorrie: It was an accommodation, sir.
          Panish asked if there was anything preventing AEG from preparing the contract with Dr. Murray and giving it to MJ. She said no.


          AEG redirect

          In re-re-re-direct, Bina asked if MJ specifically asked AEG to draft the contract for Dr. Murray and advance funds necessary?
          Jorrie: Yes


          Jackson recross

          in re-re-re-cross, Panish rebutted: And AEG could've refused it, right?
          Jorrie: Yes

          Randy Jackson Video Deposition

          A jury heard videotaped testimony Randy Jackson, who described more than half a dozen interventions his family attempted to try to get Michael Jackson to stop taking prescription medications. Randy Jackson, the pop superstar’s younger brother, said several of his siblings were involved in the efforts, and they occasionally brought interventionist doctors to try to convince their brother to go into rehab. The superstar always refused and kept his family at a distance in the final years of his life, Randy Jackson said. Randy Jackson says the interventions took place in diverse locations including New York, Las Vegas, Jackson’s Neverland Ranch and Taiwan and dated back to the mid-1990s. However, he said he did not talk to his brother much in the five years before his death and was unable to get into his rented mansion during the period before he died because security guards blocked his access. “Michael didn’t want to be around the family too much because he didn’t want them to see him like that,” Randy Jackson said. “He was hiding from me.” He said most of the interventions were attended by his sisters Rebbie and Janet and his brothers, Tito, Marlon, and his father, Joe Jackson. But he said his mother only came along once or twice. He said she was unwilling to accept that Michael was addicted and he felt “she was in denial. She just didn’t want to believe.” Randy Jackson said his brother was terrified during the run-up to his 2005 child molestation trial in Santa Maria. At one point Randy Jackson said he had to take his brother to a hospital because “he was under the influence of something.” He said he had no idea what drugs Jackson was taking. “He was very frightened, and I had to get him to court,” Randy Jackson said. (AP)

          He said almost every time he tried to intercede it was after a call from a nanny who cared for Michael Jackson’s children and told him the singer was over using prescription drugs. He said he never saw his brother take drugs but twice saw him in a condition where he was slurring his speech. He said he later fired the nanny after he encountered her at a pharmacy picking up prescriptions for the singer. Randy Jackson said he never heard of the drug Propofol until after his brother died from an overdose of the anesthetic. Randy Jackson also testified that at one point he wrote a letter to his entire family, including his mother, saying they needed to help Michael. “He’s an addict, and he isn’t responsible. The family has to step in and do something about it,” Jackson testified.He also said his brother refused repeatedly to go to rehab. “I told him I was taking him to rehab and he said he’s not going. I told him, ‘Yes, you are.’ And he would say ‘No, I’m not,’” Randy testified. (CBSLA)

          Michael Jackson suffered a secret near-overdose in Beverly Hills in 2005 and deflected more than a half-dozen drug interventions staged by his concerned relatives, a Los Angeles jury heard Friday. The near overdose, meanwhile, came after the trial at a house in Beverly Hills called Shadow Wood, according to the video testimony. Randy Jackson said Rwaramba called him in a panic after Jackson purportedly took too much of a prescription obtained in her name. He said Jackson was out of it and talking in "slurred speech" while his kids and guests were inside the residence. "He was certainly under the influence of something that was altering his normal way of functioning," Randy Jackson recalled. The brother said he confiscated all the drugs he could find and was downstairs getting something to eat when he heard Jackson had "collapsed."Randy Jackson also testified that his family staged at least 10 interventions to try and get the pop star off various addictive prescription drugs. Randy Jackson said he picked his brother up off the floor, put him on a bed and raced around the corner to get a doctor. He said the doctor gave Jackson something to "counter" the effects of the overdose and said not to leave the pop icon's side. "Somebody should sleep next to him, make sure he doesn't vomit or choke, anything like that," the doctor said, according to Randy Jackson. He recalled as many as 10 attempted interventions with Jackson that started in Taiwan during one of the singer's tours and also included an intervention in a New York hotel in 2000, about "four or five" surprise trips to Neverland Ranch and an attempt at Jackson's Las Vegas residence after the 2005 trial. Randy Jackson said he even wrote a letter to all his family members explaining his concern that his brother was an addict. "I copied everybody on it. Everyone. I made sure everybody knew it. I would say he has — he's an addict, and at this point, addicts aren't so responsible for what they do," he said. He said it was "upsetting" to him that Rwaramba seemed to be supplying drugs to his brother and then calling him to pick up the pieces. He said he would race to pharmacies to confront her over her actions. Randy Jackson said his brother didn't like the interference and would "isolate" himself, especially during the last year of his life. "I wasn't afraid to say no to him. So he would really -- he would, like, get physical with me because — and I wouldn't be afraid to say no to him. But he's like 90 pounds, so it wouldn't do much," Randy Jackson with a laugh. Asked if his mom believed Jackson had a problem, Randy Jackson said she was "in denial." "She didn't want to believe it," he said. He said Jackson knew how to "sweet talk" his mom. (NYDailyNews)

          First deposition was on Nov 6, 2012.

          Q: Do you know Grace Rwamba?
          A:Yes, and fired her too.
          Q: Why?
          A: Because he asked me to.
          Q: Your brother Michael did?
          A: Yes
          The attorneys stipulated the firing occurred in 2004/2005.

          Randy said he and Michael were pretty close, since they were close in age. Randy said he doesn’t remember when it was the last time he spoke with MJ. He said MJ was traveling.
          Q: Did you call him in 2009?
          A: I don’t remember
          Q: Did you see him in 2009?
          A: I don’t remember

          Randy said Frank Dileo was MJ’s manager. “From what I understand until my brother passed,” he explained. There was a time he was the manager, then not manager, then manager again, Randy said.

          Q: Your brother didn’t want to see you and you went to see him?
          A: Yes
          Q: Couple occasions?
          A: Yes, 3 or 4 times
          I wanted to make sure he was ok, Randy testified.

          MJ’s brother said one intervention was in Vegas, then in NY then LA. Randy remembered 3 times and intervention being attempted. Because I had received call that he had been abusing prescription drugs, Randy said. Grace called him, he’s sure if she called anyone else. Randy said it was around the time of the trial, doesn’t know if before or after, not sure. MJ was staying in Vegas. Randy said he went there with Jackie, Rebbie, maybe Janet, maybe Marlon. Randy said he spoken with Grace, the other siblings spoke with her too. “We may have had a conference call.”

          Q: Have you ever believed MJ was abusing prescription drugs before?
          A: Yes.

          Grace called Randy before about MJ using prescription drugs. He said she called him two or 3 times before. Randy confronted MJ every time Grace called him. Randy said security told him MJ didn’t want to see him. Just drive in and walked in the house. The gate was open, I just drove in walked in.

          Q: Did you see MJ?
          A: Yes. I told him him I was taking him to rehab,” Randy said. “He said he was not going. I said you are, he said I’m not
          MJ didn’t go to rehab. Randy said the other siblings told MJ the same thing, to go to rehab.
          Q: Did he admit having a problem?
          A: No
          Q: Did he deny he had a problem with prescription drugs at that time?
          A: No
          Q: Did he say whether or not he had a problem with prescription drugs at that time?
          A: No. No he didn’t say it

          They were with MJ for 2 hours. Randy said MJ told him ‘Don’t worry, I’m okay. I’m not gonna go.’
          Q: Did he seem ok?
          A: At the time yes
          Q: Did you leave thinking he had a problem?
          A: Yes
          Q: When was next discussion?
          A: That may have been the last time, maybe. There were prior times. It was just around the Santa Maria trial, Randy said. “It was after, I think.”
          Q: Up until the time of his passing you never discussed it with him again?
          A: No
          Q: Why not?
          A: I hadn’t gotten call from Grace or anyone

          Randy said Leonard Rowe told him MJ may have prob w/ prescription drug. He guessed it was around time shows in London were being prepared. Randy: No, let me correct that. Initially we were playing on our tour, the brothers tour. There was concern then.

          Q: Did you ever discuss that with your parents?
          A: Yes
          Q Their reaction?
          A: Displeased
          Q: With?
          A: Him not getting the help that he needed.


          Randy said he doesn’t know if the parents talked to MJ. Randy and Janet had a doctor in the mix for the Vegas intervention. He was an experienced interventionist, Randy testified.

          Q: How did you know that?
          A: He told me
          Q: Had you met him before?
          A: No. Internet, maybe
          Q: Was this Mr. Webb?
          A: No. I don’t recall
          Q: Besides siblings and the doctor was there somebody else who went?
          A: I don’t recall who the 2nd guy was. I didn’t arrange it, Janet knew

          They talked to MJ while there, Randy said. He doesn’t remember specifically what was said, but that the family loved him, wanted to help. Randy said he met the interventionist doctor at Madeo for lunch, probably met doctor one time prior as well. He said he wanted to know just what they do and what is the procedure here, what they suggest. Randy discussed MJ’s stint in rehab before with the singer. Randy said he thinks it was one time that MJ was in rehab. Randy said he told the doctor there had been prior attempts to get MJ help and they weren’t successful, needed professional help. Randy discussed with the doctors the attempted interventions. Randy did not speak with the doctors again after that. Besides Michael, just security was present.

          Q: You mentioned another one in NY?
          A: Yes

          Randy believes the NY attempt happened prior to the Vegas time. He said he was worried about MJ, about “prescription,” “prescription abuse.” Grace had called Randy each time. Janet, Rebbie and Tito were with Randy in NY. It happened in early to mid-2000. Grace called him, he called the family, other family members, Rebbie, Tito, Janet, Randy said. You need to get down here, Randy said Grace told him. She didn’t need to say anything else. “Because, my brother,” Randy explained. Randy went with family only to the NY intervention.

          Q: Did he agreed to see you?
          A: I guess, I just walked in.
          He wouldn’t go Randy said about his attempt to take MJ to rehab.
          Q: Did you tell him to go?
          A: Yes
          Q: Did he tell you he wouldn’t?
          A: Yes

          Randy doesn’t remember the details of the conversation, whether MJ admitted or not abusing prescription drugs. MJ didn’t go to rehab, Randy didn’t tell the parents, he said he didn’t want to stress them out. Randy called Grace. “She told me that he cleaned up,”

          Q: How?
          A: Because I was there, probably.

          Randy testified the brothers just talked to him. “Just tell him that his family loves him, concerned for him.”

          Q: Did he clean up after LV intervention?
          A: Yes

          Randy: He stopped using these things, as fas as I know, he stopped using it. I learned it from Grace, pretty much Grace. Randy doesn’t know how he cleaned up. The intervention at the Ranch occurred after NY. He got a call from Grace “You need to get down here.” Randy told siblings, Rebbie, brothers, Janet. They had another conference call. The parents were not on the call. Randy: I think my mom found out about the Grace. My family went with me, he said.

          Q: Did you mom go?
          A: I think so. Janet, Rebbie, no Marlon, not sure LaToya, no Jermaine, Tito maybe, Jackie
          Randy said he just walked in. One the brothers went over fence to open the gate
          Q: Because security won’t let you in?
          A: Yes. We don’t ask

          MJ didn’t want to go to rehab that time either. The brothers stayed a few hours. It was just family, no doctors.

          Q: Believe your brother had problem with prescription drug?
          A: Yes
          Q: Did MJ deny he had a prob with prescription drugs?
          A: Yes
          Q: He also refused to go to rehab?
          A: Yes

          I didn’t believe him, Randy testified. Just leaving there all the brother talked about it, Randy said. Other family members didn’t believe him either. My mom didn’t believe it, Randy explained. “But it’s my mom, she didn’t want to believe it.”

          After the Las Vegas intervention, Randy said he watched MJ clean up. He was around, it was around Santa Maria trial. He just did it and got ready for the trial, Randy explained. MJ never discuss any drug problem with Randy ever.

          They were at the Ranch for 2/3 hours. Randy discussed with MJ the Ranch intervention after. I told him I wanted him to go to the therapist with me, Randy described. He said this was after Santa Maria trial, which took over things

          Randy said he went to visit Frank DiLeo in the hospital after he was in a coma. He knew DiLeo for 20-30 years. Randy learned DiLeo came back as MJ’s while the O2 show was being put together.
          Q: Was he a good manager?
          A: Yes

          Q: Did MJ talk to you about his burned scalp?
          A: Yes. He said it was painful.

          I went to visit him at the hospital, Randy said about MJ. He never discussed with MJ insomnia, sleeping problems.

          Randy did not know about MJ taking anesthesiologists on tour. Randy said he never saw MJ take prescription drugs or illegal drugs. He never heard of propofol or diprivan prior to MJ’s death.
          Q: Did your brother ever discuss taking medication to sleep?
          A: No
          I never got a call about illegal drugs, Randy explained.
          Q: When did you first come to believe MJ had a prob with prescription drugs?
          A: I guess it was Grace.

          The first time was in Los Angeles, she called me, Randy said. It was around 2000, year 2000. She just told me she was concerned, Randy described. “Because he was using prescription medication too much.”

          Q: What medicine?
          A: Sedatives, whatever they call them, sedatives.


          Randy didn’t talk to MJ about it at this point. He talked to Rebbie. “I was investigating about it, talking to people around him.” Randy: Also, as I recall, I tried calling a doctor in Vegas and a doctor in Florida, but they wouldn’t talk to me about it. Randy said he forgot the doctors’ names. He talked to doctor friends he knew about his concerns of MJ’s prescription drug abuse.

          Q: Was he addicted?
          A: I don’t know, I wasn’t sure, I wasn’t clear on it.
          Randy: Just excessive use, maybe, I don’t know if I would call that an addict, I’m not a doctor.
          Q: Did he ever tell you he had a problem with prescription drugs?
          A: No.
          Q: Did you ever discuss you believed your brother had a problem with prescription drugs with your mother?
          A: Yes

          That was after the second attempted intervention at Neverland, Randy testified, which was the same as the one his mother attended. Randy said he had a phone call with his mother, he initiated the conversation. I told her that we need to plan an intervention and that, her being a mother, because she was there.

          Q: Did your mother ever tell you she believed your brother had problem w/ prescription drugs?
          A: No, no, she didn’t tell me that believed


          Randy said he and his father tried to call MJ while he lived at Carolwood home. “We were unsuccessful,” he said. Randy: There was a drug issue. He wasn’t eating. All of these things were happening at the same time. And, you know, a lot of pressure. Randy: Leonard Rowe was involved very much in the shows and was giving reports to me that he didn’t look too good. Randy said they were concerned about prescription abuse around the time MJ was living at the Carolwood house. Randy had already selected a rehab facility to take MJ. It was in the Bay area, San Francisco. The same place were interventionist worked

          Randy said his brother didn’t drink. “I never seen him drink alcohol.”
          Q: From 2000 until the time that your brother passed were there periods you believed he didn’t problem with prescription drugs?
          A: Yes

          Second part of the deposition was taped on March 26, 2013.

          Randy said Michael enjoyed touring.
          Q: Why do you say that?
          A: Well, because we like to tour, perform.
          Q: Did you ever see any signs he was on prescription meds on tour?
          A: No.


          Other than the times Randy described in the last deposition, she said saw signs MJ was on prescription medications at home. Randy said this was in 2005 at the Shadow Wood home in Beverly Hills. “He was under the influence of something.” Randy said his speech was slurred. Then Grace, his nanny, would tell me all the time, “You need to get over here. Something’s not right.” I went over to help him out and take everything away as I could, Randy testified. Grace called Randy again to come over. “She needed help with him. He wasn’t doing so well.”Randy: We had discussed this before, so I kind of knew what was going on.

          Q: And what did you see when you went over there?
          A: He was certainly under the influence of something that was altering his normal way of functioning. I tried to get help him some help.

          Randy said he tried to take everything away, from Grace too. “It was ironic because she was giving it to him but complaining about it.” Randy said some prescription drugs were in Grace’s name. “It was upsetting to me. I think she had a hard time saying no to him.”

          Q: You just looked around the house and took bottles?
          A: I made her show where everything was.
          Randy: Because what good would it be to help him if you’re leaving stuff there?
          Randy said there wasn’t much to talk to MJ then. “Yes, I could talk to him but I’d pick my moments. I’d wait till he’d be a bit more in tune
          Q: Did he tell you what he was taking specifically?
          A: No
          Q: Did you do anything else besides take it away?
          A: I went downstairs, I think he had some friends over. And I went downstairs to eat something.

          Randy: They ran downstairs and told me that he had collapsed. And I went upstairs. I picked him up, put him on the bed, it was pretty late. Randy: And as I recall, I called my doctor who lived literally around the corner. My doctor came over and took care of him, said he’ll be ok Randy said the doctor gave MJ something that would counter, help counter whatever it is he had done. Just let him rest it off. Somebody should sleep next to him, make sure he doesn’t vomit or choke, anything like that, doc told Randy. Randy instructed one of the Cascios to sleep next to MJ. He stayed overnight as well. Next morning, Randy said MJ was sleeping pretty late. “I wanted to make sure he was ok, then I left,” he said.Randy asked MJ next day if he remembered what happened. He said MJ replied “no, no, but I heard.” He said he took it to help him sleep, and he said it was a mistake and that he was sorry about it, Randy testified. I was just kind of taken aback by it, maybe, he said.

          Q: Did you have concerns about MJ at that point?
          A: Yes
          Randy: I staged several interventions and set up, tried to get him help many times.
          Q: You mentioned Grace would call but was getting him medication?
          A: Yes. A few times I would meet her at the pharmacy.


          Interventions: NY, Neverland, Las Vegas

          Q: Were there any other?
          A: It was more than one at Neverland.

          There were a few over there. I don’t know, maybe 4 or 5, Randy responded. It was around 2004, 2005. Or 2005-06. Randy said he was spending a lot of time with him, so he kind of got close look at what was going on.


          Randy wrote letters to my family about MJ’s problem and that they had to do something to help.
          Q: Who did you send the letter to?
          A: Everybody, copied everybody. I made sure everybody knew it.
          Randy: He’s an addict, and at this point, addicts aren’t so responsible for what they do. Randy: So this is where the family needs to step in and do something about it because their desire becomes physical.
          Q: Did you send it to your mother as well?
          A: Everybody got a copy of it.
          He wrote the letter down on paper and had assistant copy it. He said not everybody in his family looks at email.
          Q: Did you get responses?
          A: I think everyone was in shock, maybe a little denial. I always got responses, my dad, Rebbie and Janet, always
          Randy: No, my mom no. As a mom, I guess maybe it was hard for her, you know, for a mother to see that.


          The 4-5 interventions at Neverland were between 2004-2006. “One of them included my mom,” Randy said. Rebbie and Janet went on all of them, except one or two.

          Q: Describe the 3-4 additional interventions:
          A: First one at Neverland, not the one that KJ was present. Janet, myself, Rebbie. Maybe my mom was at that one. I think my mom was there.
          Katherine was at one intervention only, Randy said. “That must’ve been the first one, around 2002-2003, at Neverland.
          Randy said Rebbie and Janet were always supportive, always with him. “My dad also.”
          Q: What happened when you arrived at Neverland?
          A: I think that time he wasn’t there.
          Randy didn’t speak with MJ that day. He said people would tip MJ off. “So it’s bad news. Randy’s coming to shake things up.”

          After Vegas, there were no more interventions, Randy said. “I tried to get him help but I couldn’t get as many people to stage intervention” Randy tried to jump the gate a few times. “My dad and I tried a few times to get him help.” Shadow Wood home was 50-thousand square feet. Randy said he hated it, it was just too big.


          Randy: Michael wouldn’t want to really be around his family too much, I think because he didn’t want us to see him that way, specially me
          Q: Could you give a range if years that this was happening?
          A: It happened over a period of time, when I was, he stopped doing it also.
          Randy: When I was helping with the situation in Santa Maria I was able to make it stop. I fired Grace, stoped it from coming in.

          Randy said MJ would really, really enjoyed being around his children. He would cook for them. He was in a great place, Randy said. “Then Grace came back around and he started using it again. I was very pissed off about it.” Randy said he started right before Santa Maria trial but he got MJ clean. He told Rebbie “don’t leave his side” because I didn’t trust Grace. Randy: I fired her again, I noticed when she was around there was a pattern. Whenever she’s around, he’s wasted. So I fired her again.

          Q: Were all of the interventions were before the Santa Maria trial?
          A: There was one after, the Vegas was after.

          Randy: He was using it again because there was a… it was quite disturbing to me. Randy: There was a People Magazine article coming out talking about his drug use. Grace told him that I was behind putting this article out. Randy: Grace and actually Raymone Bain because I fired them both. I fired them both that’s probably whay they said it, Randy opined. “It had nothing to do with me.”

          Randy said MJ got people in his family to sign a letter that was on People Mag saying he never used drugs. “I was really disturbed by that.” He said he wasn’t behind the article, but didn’t sign the letter. Janet, Rebbie and his dad didn’t sign it either. The letter was MJ’s idea, Randy said.
          Q: Did you mom sign it?
          A: My mom, LaToya, all my brothers.
          Randy: My mom, you know, she would mever want to believe it. She’s a mom, you know. I felt bad for my her.
          Randy: Did she ever believe he had a problem? Yeah, but I think she was in denial, she didn’t want to believe it.

          Randy: MJ didn’t want to talk to me too much. Because maybe I wasn’t afraid to say no to him.Randy: He would get physical with me, I wouldn’t be afraid to say no. But he was 90 pounds, it wouldn’t do much.

          Randy said MJ was really scared before the Santa Maria trial. And somehow Grace was able to get him something. Randy: He didn’t want to go to court. He didn’t show up to court. And I was freaking out because it was on the news. Randy: I went to hospital MJ said “I don’t know what you’re thinking. I’m not walking into that courtroom so don’t even think about it Randy. Randy: And I said “Okay, but you are going to court.” He goes “No, I’m not.” Q: Was he in the hospital because he had reaction to his drug use? Randy: No. He was in the hospital because he didn’t want to go to court. Randy said that when Grace was around MJ, he was under the some kind of influence. “But we had him go to court and had the doctor with him”. Randy: Then I later found out she had gotten him a patch. I was livid. Randy doesn’t know what kind of patch it was. He said MJ had slurry speech. “He was really frightened to go to that courtroom.”. Randy: He didn’t know who to trust, because people around him were lying to him, telling him things just to secure their positions.
          Those were the only two times Randy saw him under the influence. “I’d get calls from Grace all the time,” he said. Randy said the last time Grace called was a long time ago. “I made my presence known, there wasn’t lot more. She didn’t need to call.”Randy: He was doing good in Ireland from what I recall. 06-7, 07-08 around that time.

          Q: Do you know if he slept well while on tour?
          A: He slept well
          Randy said MJ had no issues sleeping that he knew of.

          Randy: My dad and I tried to get the house at Carolwood. They wouldn’t let me through. My brother didn’t want me to see him like that.
          Q: Who did you see there?
          A: Security guard.
          They told Randy “he’s not here, he’s not there.” Randy questioned if he wasn’t there why they had the gate closed. “Open it up, no big deal” After being turned down, Randy would then go home.
          Q: After Carolwood, did you or father take any other action?
          A: No, after that time no.


          Randy talked about interventions in NY, Neverland, Las Vegas. And there was another intervention in Taiwan.
          Q: Did you go to Taiwan?
          A: Yes, with Rebbie and some family members

          MJ was doing shows in Taiwan. Randy said what spurred him to go to Taiwan was the fact that he needed help, he was far away, we said we need to go. Randy: I didn’t know anything but we had heard things. That’s why we were there. Randy said in Taiwan they visited him, gave him family love, wanted to make him feel comforted so he wouldn’t think about doing those things

          Q: Did he seem he was using drugs at that time?
          A: Yes, his speech was slurred, but nothing terrible.

          That was probably the first one, the first intervention, Randy said.

          Q: Was MJ isolating himself?
          A: Yeah, he would do that.
          Q: Was he doing it in the 5 years before his death? Isolated?
          A: Oh, parts, parts of it.
          Q: Did you speak with him regularly?
          A: I don’t talk to anyone in my family regularly.
          Sometimes he would isolate himself because he didn’t want people to hear his voice Randy said.
          Q: Because he might be using drugs?
          A: Yes


          Randy: After MJ died, everyone was shocked. I was really displeased with all the stuff that was going on in court with Branca, Weitzman. Randy: We were still trying to figure out how to grieve, and these people are in court, and will, and this nonsense. I haven’t even buried my brother yet, Randy said.

          Randy said he pushed everything to the side and was getting together this memorial for him and did it with AEG, Kenny Ortega and those guys.
          Q: Did you have a positive experience with AEG?
          A: Horrible! (laughs) No, I’m just joking. They were nice. They were very nice.
          Randy: I practically slept there to put the show together.
          Q: Do you recall telling Randy Phillips that you see that Michael was fortunate to have AEG involved in his return to the stage?
          A: I don’t remember saying that, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t say it. I kind of felt that way at the time.


          Zusammenfassung von Ivy, MJJC #69


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          Zusammenfassungen der vorangegangenen gerichtstage:
          Day 1 - 50
          Day 51 - zeuge Dr. Emery Brown Video Deposition; zeuge Peter Formuzis
          Day 52 - zeugin Katherine Jackson
          Day 53 - forts. zeugin K. Jackson; AEG-zeuge John Meglen
          Day 54 - forts. AEG-zeuge Meglen
          Day 55 - zeugen J. Meglen; Dr. Alimorad Farshchian Video Deposition
          Day 56 - zeuge David Fournier
          Day 57 - zeugen Dr. Scott Saunders per video depo.; Eric Briggs
          Day 58 - zeuge Eric Briggs
          Day 59 - forts. zeuge Briggs
          Day 60 - forts. zeuge Briggs
          Day 61 - forts. zeuge Briggs; zeuge Michael LaPerruque
          Day 62 - forts. zeuge Michael LaPerruque; zeuge Eric Briggs; Timm Wooley video deposition
          Day 63 - zeugin Kathleen Ann Jorrie
          Day 64 - forts. zeugin Kathy Jorrie
          Day 65 - zeuge Kenny Ortega


          Exklusiv transcripts eröffnungsstatements u.a. (MJJC #1 ff.)

          Zeugenaussage von Prince Michael Jackson Jr.; exklusiv transcripts von MJJC # 7

          Deposition transcripts filed with the court.
          Note : these are not the full depositions, they are only the portions played in the court.

          Dr. Stuart Finkelstein Deposition video transcript
          Dr. Earley Deposition video transcript
          Tim Leiweke Deposition video transcript
          Randy Phillips Deposition video transcript
          Quelle Ivy, MJJC #50
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          • Jacksons vs AEG - Day 67 – August 12 2013 – Summary

            Katherine Jackson is in court

            Prior to beginning of session, attorneys discussed with judge about the next witnesses/exhibits outside the presence of the jury. (ABC7) Forensic accountant William Ackerman is today’s witness. He’ll be testifying about Jackson’s financial history, spending. Testimony got a late start (about 50 minutes) because attorneys were arguing issues about Ackerman’s opinions and whether he could testify. Plaintiff’s attorney Brian Panish argued that Ackerman’s testimony should be blocked because it was cumulative. Panish argued that another defense witness, Eric Briggs, had testified about Jackson’s debts and Ackerman’s opinion would be redundant. AEG Live’s lawyers however argued that Ackerman’s opinion was about Jackson’s financial history and spending and weren’t duplicative. There are 200,000 pages of Jackson’s financial records that form the basis of Ackerman’s opinion. Many are from the 2000s. The judge agreed to allow Ackerman to testify, but did tell AEG to take out certain pictures from slides that will be shown to the jury. For instance, the judge told AEG to take out slides showing a BMW and the Harvard logo. AEG said those were things Jackson’s children might be entitled to. Judge also said AEG shouldn’t show an image of Carolwood mansion to reflect the Jacksons’ housing (AP)

            This afternoon, plaintiff’s attorneys argued that some of Ackerman’s slides and testimony should be stricken. Plaintiff’s lawyer Brian Panish says Ackerman’s testimony about Michael Jackson’s consumption, which includes interest payments, is improper. Panish argued that Ackerman’s figures create an improper comparison to plaintiff’s expert Arthur Erk’s figures on MJ’s expenses. AEG Live’s lawyers say the issue can be fixed on cross-examination, but the judge wants to hear more arguments in the morning. Some of his testimony and charts shown to the jury may get stricken, but the judge made clear she wants to think about it some more. (AP)


            William Ackerman Testimony


            AEG Direct

            When Ackerman took the stand he brought 2 large boxes of documents. Ackerman started pulling out binders large and small and stacking them behind him in the witness box. It took him 3 minutes to set up. (AP)

            AEG called a new witness on the stand, William Ackerman. Before seating down, Ackerman laid out several large binders from 2 boxes. Sabrina Strong did direct examination of Ackerman. She asked how tall he is. The expert said he’s 6’7″. Ackerman was asked to determine the amount of support the plaintiffs received and could expect to receive had MJ lived. (ABC7)

            He said he did an extensive review of the financial information provided to him, did a financial evaluation of MJ. Ackerman works currently at Freeman & Mills, consulting in accounting, finance, economics, business practices, primarily business settings. He's been working in the accounting firm for a little over 22 years. Ackerman said his work is primary is the damage areas, says he works on several cases and they are all different. He's works in all kinds of civil litigation and some criminal matters. The only litigation his firm does not do is marital dissolution. Ackerman studied Business Administration with emphasis in Accounting at Georgetown University. Ackerman testified in a little over 60 cases, all as expert witness. He said the split is half between being hired by plaintiffs/defendants. "I don't choose my clients, they choose me" Ackerman said. The witness has testified on behalf of O'Melveny & Myers about a handful of times. He has also worked on a handful wrongful death matters. Ackerman said he probably worked on 1,000 matters where he looked at damages issues. (ABC7) He is a forensic accountant with the consulting firm Freeman and Mills Inc., which handles a lot of litigation-type cases. Ackerman said he has testified in approximately 60 trials and arbitration proceedings. He said his experience was pretty evenly split between being a witness for plaintiffs and defense cases. (AP)

            Ackerman said he was asked to try to determine the amount of support plaintiffs would received/could expect to receive had MJ lived. Scope of Work: Michael Jackson's finances, Support, contributions, gifts and benefits, Present value calculation. Ackerman explained he developed what we would describe as a financial profile of Michael Jackson. Ackerman said he/his firm reviewed over 200,000 pages of documents. About 10 people in his office worked in reviewing these documents. Strong showed Ackerman a question that was posed to Arthur Erk. He was asked if he reviewed thousand of documents in this case. Erk responded he had access to them but decided to read only what he thought was pertinent. Erk's testimony: Otherwise we'd spend millions of dollars and I didn't think this was necessary. Ackerman said he reviewed all docs, didn't amount to millions of dollars. He testified his firm spent between 2800 - 3000 hours on this case. Ackerman said it probably took well over 2000 hours just to read all the documents. He spent between 650 and 700 hours alone. Ackerman's hourly rate is $475. Other people in his firm charge between $325 to $75 an hour. "We submitted invoices in excess of $800,000" Ackerman testified. He said he doesn't know how it's possible to opine without reading all. (ABC7) Ackerman’s firm has billed more than $800,000 for work in the case, which involved compiling Jackson’s financial history. (AP)

            Before the lunch break, he described in great detail Jackson’s debts and earnings. He said MJ died $400-500 million in debt. His underlying testimony so far has been to show that Jackson was spending millions more per year than he was earning in the 90s, 2000s. Many millions of dollars each year were spent repaying interest on loans, Ackerman said. He also didn’t have complete records on Jackson’s personal spending in the early 2000s, so he said his debts for that time period were probably higher than shown on his charts. In 2001, Ackerman Jackson’s income was about $15 million, but his expenses were roughly $32-33 million. One of his charts showed Jackson’s spending versus what plaintiff’s expert Arthur Erk calculated for MJ’s expenses. Erk projected that Jackson would spend roughly $7 million a year if he had lived. Ackerman said the historical figures were much higher. For instance, in 2009, Ackerman said Jackson would have spent close to $30 million on annual interest payments alone. The interest payments were for loans taken against his Sony-ATV and Mijac music catalogs and various properties (Neverland, Hayvenhurst.) (AP)

            Ackerman said he looked at books and records for Michael Jackson and was asked to measure what MJ paid to plaintiffs for support. Ackerman: I think it's important to share with jury that there was some doubt of his ability to continue to provide support. (ABC7)

            Exhibit:
            A. Spending Exceeded Income
            B. Growing and Significant Debt
            C. Profile of Financial Condition

            "MJ's spending exceeded his income on an annual basis," Ackerman testified. "He had significant debt over time, the interest had become more and more burdensome to meet," Ackerman described. Ackerman said he put together a profile of Michael Jackson's financial condition. (ABC7)

            He said he focused on 2001 to June 2009 period, since the financial information was the most complete during this period. Ackerman: During the last decade of his life the primary source of income was Sony/ATV catalogue and his own MIJAC catalogue. Ackerman said the Sony/ATV catalogue merged in 1995. As part of deal, MJ received a substantial amount of money. The expert said MJ was to continue to receive $6.5 million every year for royalties and $11 million from 2008 and forward until 2014. Ackerman: MJ had ATV catalogue alone and received $115 million over a three year period of time for the merge with Sony's catalogue in 1995. Ackerman said MJ paid $49,5 million dollars for the ATV catalogue, which then was merged with Sony. (ABC7)

            Ackerman said MJ had multiple corporations. He said most of his expenses were from one of his entities and not by himself as a person. Ackerman testified that some times the spending on a given company would be bigger than the income, would have a loss. Michael Jackson Company is the corporation that entered into an agreement with AEG. (ABC7)

            Strong showed a chart of MJ's Finances -- Spending Exceeded Income
            2001: $17 million in income, $33/34 million in expenses
            2008: $26 million in income, $42 million in expenses (ABC7)

            Ackerman said 2002, 2003 and 2004 there were no personal expenditures record. So they were not included in the graphic. The expert said those were the years MJ was living at Neverland Ranch. And no expenses were reported. Ackerman said there were not a lot of books and records provided for the year 2007. MJ had some sort of dispute with his business manager. (ABC7)

            Ackerman said MJ was spending $15-20 million a year on average more than his income. (ABC7)

            Michael Jackson's Finances – Expenses. Erk: $6.8 million in consumption. Ackerman said in 2008 it was $41/42 million in consumption. Strong: What things did you see MJ would spend? Ackerman: The large expenditures was in interest. Ackerman: All expenses of the different businesses he had, payroll, Neverland Ranch was very expensive to maintain. Ackerman said MJ was a generous man and donated a lot money to charity. He also gave a lot of gifts to different people at different times. The expert said he had to take care of the animals at Neverland, had people on the payroll, spent half a million dollars in amusement rides. (ABC7)

            Despite receiving millions of dollars annually from his song catalogs, Michael Jackson year after year spent more than he earned, including $30 million in annual debt payments, a forensic accountant testified Monday. William R. Ackerman, testifying as a defense witness on behalf of AEG Live in the wrongful-death trial, offered a detailed look at the singer's finances, telling jurors that Jackson spent money on donations to charity, gifts, travel, art and furniture. "He spent a lot of money on jewelry," Ackerman said with a chuckle. Neverland Ranch -- which Ackerman called "a mini-theme park," with its maintenance staff, zoo and train that traveled around the property -- was also a huge drain on his income, the certified public accountant testified. Still, he said, “consistently, his largest expenditure was interest expense. He spent a ton of money on interest.” Jackson's biggest expense was $30 million in annual payments on his debt when he died in 2009. (LATimes)

            Ackerman said Michael Jackson had to take on more and more debt to keep going, since income was not sufficient. Strong showed chart with MJ's Interest on Debt, which is the amount of incurred interest over the years. Ackerman said from 2001/2004 the annual interest on debt was from $13 to $15 million, 2005: $20 million, 2006: $25 million, 2009: $30 million. "This is the cost to rent somebody else's money," Ackerman explained. He said the interest rate was 16,8%, almost 17%. Ackerman said this amount was all separated from his monthly expenses. Ackerman: He was close to about $400 million on long-term debt, had other debts to credit he received. Total debt is $400 and $500 million. Ackerman said he saw on documents that MJ was as much as $30 million in debt as early as 1993. "It continued to grow over time to the final numbers," Ackerman said. Strong showed chart with MJ's outstanding debt: 2001 -- $231 million, 2005 -- $275 million, 2006 -- $325 million. Ackerman said in 2007 it was $400 million, plateau there until his passing in 2009. (ABC7)

            Interest on the loans grew over the years, ranging from a little less than 7% to 16.8% annually, Ackerman said in a downtown Los Angeles courtroom. As early as 1993, Jackson owed $30 million, a figure that grew to $140 million by 1998. From June 2001 through June 2009, Jackson's debt increased by about $170 million. When he died, Jackson owed $400 million to $500 million, Ackerman testified. Ackerman said Jackson received no loans after 2007, and at the time of his death, he was three to four months behind on payments for the San Fernando Valley home where his mother lived. "He was tapped out," Ackerman said. (LAtimes)

            He provided details of Jackson's 1985 purchase of the ATV music catalog, which contains many Beatles songs, for $49.5 million. Jackson merged it with Sony's catalog a decade later, receiving $115 million, along with a guaranteed $6.5 million a year, which was increased to $11 million annually in 2008. The CPA also testified that Jackson's tours in the 1990s were not moneymakers. He said Jackson broke even on the Dangerous tour and lost $11.2 million on the HIStory tour. (LAtimes)

            Ackerman said MJ received in Oct 1995-97 -- received $150 million from Sony. But he spent $32 million in 1993, $140 million in 1998. Strong asked what that means. "He liked to spend money," Ackerman responded. (ABC7)

            Ackerman said he believes Dangerous tour in 1993 broke even or lost money. He reviewed Gongaware's testimony with that info. Ackerman said the books and records shows MJ lost $11.2 million in the "HIStory" tour. The expert said MJ created new companies for the "HIStory" tour and he analyzed the books, which showed he lost money. (ABC7)

            Strong showed chart with MJ's Assets Securing Debt in June 2009:
            50% Interest in Sony/ATV Catalog MIJAC Catalog - $ 300,000,000
            Neverland Residence - $ 71,509,703
            Hayvenhurst Residence - $ 23,000,000
            Lindley Residence - $ 3,985,211
            Loan Balance - $383,500
            Total: $ 398,878,414 in assets securing debt. (ABC7)

            The title of Hayvenhurst house was in Michael and LaToya's name, Ackerman said. "After 2008, people were just not giving him more money," Ackerman said. Ackerman said after 2007 no debt had been incurred. "Nobody would lend him money," he said. "He was tapped out," the expert explained. He said his opinion is based on the documents he reviewed in the case. Ackerman: He was having troubles to meet his obligations in the period of 2007-2009, as well as other periods. The Hayvenhurst residence was 3-4 months in arrears by June 2009. (ABC7)


            Ackerman said he does not know the value of Sony/ATV catalogue. Strong: Assuming Briggs testified value of MJ's interest in the catalogue is roughly in line w/ debt, is that consistent he was tapped out? Ackerman: Yes, ma'am. "I don't think he was able to borrow any more money," Ackerman said. (ABC7)

            Ackerman said the $300 million loan against the Sony/ATV catalogue was due in full in December of 2010. If not paid, Ackerman said he'd assume MJ would not receive the amount he was to receive annually for royalties. Strong: I want you to assume, if MJ did not have the Sony/ATV catalogue, do you have an opinion if he would receive $6.5 to $11 million? "The income goes away," Ackerman said. (ABC7)


            Strong showed another chart of MJ's Finances.
            Profile of Financial Condition:
            1- Significant Debt
            2- High Borrowing Rates
            3- Catalog Cash Flow Committed to Servicing Debt
            4- Bankruptcy Remote Trust Formed in 2006
            5- Neverland
            6- Hayvenhurst


            Ackerman said that, based on his review of the documents, the royalties were dedicated to repay the debt. Ackerman: Mr. Jackson never got paid that money from royalties, it went straight to the lender. "It was earmarked to either pay the interest of the debts or the debts themselves," Ackerman said. Ackerman said he believes lenders were getting nervous in 2006, formed bankruptcy remote trust that included Sony/ATV and MIJAC catalogues. A bankruptcy remote trust is established to protect the interest of the lender in case the borrower files for bankruptcy. Ackerman said his understanding is that the trust would protect the catalogues against other borrowers. Bankruptcy remote trust was formed in March 2006. It was called "New Horizon Trust." (ABC7)

            Neverland: Ackerman said about $23 million had been lent against Neverland. "It has become very close to foreclosure by Colony Capital in 2008," Ackerman said about Neverland. Colony Capital came in and replaced primary lender -- non-interest bearing loan to MJ for $23 million. (ABC7)

            Ackerman said the mortgage at Hayvenhurst was delinquent 3-4 months and was scheduled to be foreclosed on June 26, 2009, a day after MJ died. "He was in a very precarious financial condition," Ackerman opined. "He dig himself in pretty good hole." (ABC7)


            Ackerman calculated Annual Support to Plaintiffs Around 2009: Katherine - $1,167,000, Prince -- $785,000 , Paris -- $780,000, Blanket -- $780,000. Annual Support for Katherine Jackson included all expenses for Hayvenhurst, Auto/RV,Travel, Gifts. (ABC7)

            Annual Support for Katherine Jackson alone:
            Hayvenhurst mortgage on March 2009 -- 31,513/month
            Hayvenhurst property taxes -- 34,000/year
            Hayvenhurst repairs and maintenance -- $111,000/year
            Hayvenhurst homeowner insurance -- $36,000/year
            Hayvenhurst utilities -- $64,000/year
            Hayvenhurst employees/independent contractors -- $252,000/year
            (groundkeeper, butler, housekeeper, personal assistant, driver, security man)
            Hayvenhurst security/alarms -- $69,000/year
            Food allowance -- $30,000/year (just for Mrs. Jackson)
            Auto/RV
            MJ had given Mrs. Jackson a top of the line Mercedes and recreational vehicle -- $118,000/year
            Travel -- $35,000/year (Family vacations for 2010 was $118,362 and 2011 was $160,471)
            Gifts -- $40,000/year (ABC7)

            Ackerman said the books and records listed out the gifts MJ gave to Mrs. Jackson. In some years, there was no gift amount listed. Strong: What you see on the records, it decreased overtime? Ackerman: It appears that way. (ABC7)

            Prince, Paris and Blanket Annual Support Around 2009rince -- $785,000, Paris -- $780,000, Blanket -- $780,000. The difference is because Prince was going to Buckley School, which Ackerman said is higher than home schooling for Paris & Blanket in 2009. (ABC7)

            Rent -- $1,200,000
            Butler -- $31,000
            Housekeeper -- $31,000
            Chef (Kai Chase) -- $128,000
            Utilities -- $64,000
            Total Annual Cost -- $1,454,000
            25% Allocation per child -- 364,000
            Education: Buckley School in 2013 is $36,000 for ages 12-17. In 2009 was $28,000.
            2013 cost of private university -- $63,000 (Harvard). Ages 18-21. In 2009, it was $51,000. This included tuition and room and board.
            Travel: $122,000 per child (Ackerman said MJ would travel by private plane and would rent entire floors of hotels.)
            Security: $69,000 per child per year
            Caretaker: $22,000 per child per year
            Auto: Ackerman said MJ had acquired 2 top of the line Escalades. $42,000 for MJ and 3 children, about $14,000 per child. Ackerman said he projected kids to have own cars at 16. He testified he thinks the dream car would be a convertible BMW -- $35k/year/child.
            Groceries: $17,000 per year per child
            Other: $121,000 per year per child for toys, gifts, clothes, electronics, books, jewelry, boats, places. Ackerman said he gave $110,000 cushion in the last category to catch all that was possibly missed. (ABC7)

            Ackerman used a discount rate of 18% to put numbers in present value.
            Katherine Jackson -- Projected Support
            From 2009 - 2019
            Period 1 - Ending 12/31/2009 -- $557,000
            Period 11 - Ending 6/30/2019 -- $6,111,000
            Projected Support to Plaintiffs (cumulative)
            Period 1 - End 12/31/2009 -- for KJ and children -- $1,684,000
            Period 11 - End 12/31/2019 -- for KJ and children -- $19,452,000
            Period 16 - End 12/31/2024 -- for KJ and children -- $21,498,000 (ABC7)

            Ackerman said Mrs. Jackson's life expectancy was 10 years from 2009. So he stopped calculating future earnings based on that. For MJ, he calculated 15 and half years of life expectancy, although he didn't offer his opinion on how much MJ would live. (ABC7)

            After the lunch break, Ackerman reiterated a point he made this morning, that Jackson was “tapped out,” meaning he couldn’t borrow any more. Ackerman also told the jury that one major piece of Jackson’s debt was a $300 million loan against his share of the Sony-ATV catalog. The note on the Sony-ATV catalog loan would have come due in 2010, Ackerman said. Defaulting on the loan would impact MJ’s income, he said. Ackerman also told the jury about missed payments on Jackson’s Neverland property and on his family’s Hayvenhurt home. “He dug himself a pretty good hole,” Ackerman said of Jackson’s debt, adding that he isn’t sure MJ could have continued to support his family at the same level that he had been supporting them. He pegged that figure at about $3.5 million/year for Katherine, MJ’s kids. The $3.5 million figure was Ackerman’s estimate of support Jackson was providing his family in 2009. The consultant gave detailed breakdowns of how he arrived at those figures for the jury through various slides showing payment breakdowns. The slides showed how much was spent on security, schooling, utilities, food and other expenses for Katherine & the kids. Ackerman then went into another set of figures, which were projected levels of support based on risk calculations he said are commonly made. Part of his analysis involved estimating Katherine Jackson’s life expectancy until about age 89 based on a table used in court proceedings. Ackerman made no projection of how long MJ’s life-expectancy would have been, but projected out his likely level of support for 15 years.The bottom line figure of his projection was $21.5 million dollars for Jackson’s mother and children if MJ had lived for 15 ½ years past ’09. The chart was basically a sliding scale, allowing the jury to see Jackson’s projected support if they think his life expectancy was shorter. (AP)


            "He would have to have some form of income to pay those figures," Ackerman testified.

            Strong concluded her examination. (ABC7)



            Jackson cross

            Brian Panish did cross examination. Ackerman said he has an engagement letter with AEG for work in this case. Panish asked if he has a contract. He said yes. Attorney asked if he could bring a copy of it. Ackerman said the general requirement is to have a written agreement before work begins. OMM hired Ackerman in another case, the Cussler case. Bert Fields was the opposing counsel. Anschutz company was one of the defendants. Panish: Did your firm bill in excess of $1 million for that case? Ackerman: I don’t know exactly, but I’d not be surprised. (ABC7)

            The bill of $800,000 to $825,000 was for work up until July. Since then, Ackerman worked another 60-100 hours. Ackerman said he keeps time records for the he does. “I don’t know what the industry standard is, I know what we do in our firm.” Panish: A professional way would be to itemize your bill, right? Ackerman: I don’t know, I know what our company does. Ackerman estimated the bill for last month to be between $50,000-$100,000, which is on top of the $800,000-$825,000 already billed. (ABC7)

            Panish: You were very critical of Erk’s consumption amount, right? Ackerman: I was very critical of it. (ABC7)

            “I didn’t come up with specific number, but probably in the $30-$50 million range,” Ackerman testified. (ABC7)

            Panish: How much did MJ’s debt increase from 2007 versus 2008? Ackerman: Approximately $1.5 million. Panish: And from 2008 versus 2009? Ackerman: I show the debt going up only a few hundred thousand dollars. Ackerman: Looking at this graph, it’s an average of somewhere between $30-$35 million. (ABC7)

            Ackerman said he, himself, did not read all the documents related to the case. (ABC7)

            Panish: Who were the officers of Michael Jackson Company, sir? Ackerman: I know Michael Jackson was. Panish: Was it a single liability company? Ackerman: I don’t recall, have to look up. Ackerman: Michael Jackson Company was created on Feb 8, 2007. It’s a Delaware company. (ABC7)

            Panish: Was Dr. Tohme sitting on $5 million of Michael Jackson’s money in 2009? “I made aware that Dr. Tohme may had been holding some money for MJ,” Ackerman responded. Panish: Did you testify in your deposition that it was stated by a number of people that Dr. Tohme was incompetent and dishonest. “Some people were of that frame of mind,” Ackerman answered. Panish: $5 million would’ve covered the entire expense at Hayvenhurst in 2009, correct? Ackerman: Yes, sir. (ABC7)

            “It appears that he was providing support,” Ackerman said. “I know that Janet Jackson was also providing, so you have to draw the line where life necessities is,” Ackerman explained. Ackerman said Mrs. Jackson testified Janet was giving her $10,000 a month. “Mr. Panish, I’m just trying to say that she was also being subsidized by his daughter,” Ackerman explained. Panish: Do you agree with me that Mr. Jackson was paying for his mother’s life necessities? Ackerman: He was providing the bulk of the support for his mother. (ABC7)

            Panish: What was the standard life expectancy for Michael Jackson? Ackerman: I don’t know. Panish: Did you read that MJ had 28.8 year life expectancy? Objection — sustained (ABC7)

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            Panish told the judge this is a good point to stop. He says he needs to argue with the court. Judge responded: “And you can’t wait!” (ABC7)


            Zusammenfassung von Ivy, MJJC #70

            __________________________________________

            Zusammenfassungen der vorangegangenen gerichtstage:
            Day 1 - 50
            Day 51 - zeuge Dr. Emery Brown Video Deposition; zeuge Peter Formuzis
            Day 52 - zeugin Katherine Jackson
            Day 53 - forts. zeugin K. Jackson; AEG-zeuge John Meglen
            Day 54 - forts. AEG-zeuge Meglen
            Day 55 - zeugen J. Meglen; Dr. Alimorad Farshchian Video Deposition
            Day 56 - zeuge David Fournier
            Day 57 - zeugen Dr. Scott Saunders per video depo.; Eric Briggs
            Day 58 - zeuge Eric Briggs
            Day 59 - forts. zeuge Briggs
            Day 60 - forts. zeuge Briggs
            Day 61 - forts. zeuge Briggs; zeuge Michael LaPerruque
            Day 62 - forts. zeuge Michael LaPerruque; zeuge Eric Briggs; Timm Wooley video deposition
            Day 63 - zeugin Kathleen Ann Jorrie
            Day 64 - forts. zeugin Kathy Jorrie
            Day 65 - zeuge Kenny Ortega
            Day 66 - zeugin Kathy Jorrie; Randy Jackson Video Depo.


            Exklusiv transcripts eröffnungsstatements u.a. (MJJC #1 ff.)

            Zeugenaussage von Prince Michael Jackson Jr.; exklusiv transcripts von MJJC # 7

            Deposition transcripts filed with the court.
            Note : these are not the full depositions, they are only the portions played in the court.

            Dr. Stuart Finkelstein Deposition video transcript
            Dr. Earley Deposition video transcript
            Tim Leiweke Deposition video transcript
            Randy Phillips Deposition video transcript
            Quelle Ivy, MJJC #50
            Zuletzt geändert von rip.michael; 16.08.2013, 07:49.

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            • Onlineberichte zur Aussage von Debbie:

              Jacksons Ex-Frau im Zeugenstand: "Seine Angst vor Schmerzen war unglaublich"
              http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...-a-916678.html


              Debbie Rowe brach zusammen
              Bei ihrer Zeugenaussage brach Debbie Rowe, die Exfrau des Popstars Michael Jackson, in Schluchzen aus.
              http://www.gala.de/stars/news/newsfe...en_970562.html

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              • Jacksons vs AEG - Day 68 – August 13 2013 – Summary

                Katherine Jackson is present in court

                Court started this morning with 40 minutes of arguments on William Ackerman’s testimony. Ackerman is a defense witness testifying about Michael Jackson’s finances. Plaintiffs wanted some of his testimony stricken. Plaintiff’s attorneys Kevin Boyle and Brian Panish argued that testimony about Jackson’s debts is prejudicial and should be stricken. AEG’s lawyers Marvin Putnam and Jessica Stebbins Bina countered it was important to this case and how much MJ could have given to his family. “The case law is clear , you can’t give what you don’t have,” Putnam told the judge. Ackerman’s opinion is that MJ was in a precarious financial condition due to debts, including a large loan on his share of Sony-ATV catalog. Panish kept asking AEG Live’s lawyers to provide a case that allowed them to present evidence about MJ’s debts. Stebbins Bina eventually cited one case. That prompted the judge to ask plaintiffs for a case citation if they could find one later. For the time being, Judge Yvette Palazuelos overruled the plaintiff’s objections and declined to strike Ackerman’s testimony from yesterday. (AP)

                Ackerman and Panish have also been in some tense exchanges, so the judge admonished Ackerman to not argue with Panish. Ackerman has also had to be told by judge to answer questions with a “yes” or “no” several times. She told him to listen to her instructions (AP)



                William Ackerman Testimony



                Jackson cross


                Ackerman is back on the stand for cross examination. Brian Panish, attorney for the Jacksons, doing the questioning. (ABC7)

                One of the first questions Ackerman was asked was about Michael Jackson’s life expectancy _ the judge blocked the question yesterday. Plaintiff’s lawyer Brian Panish complained that Ackerman had testified about Katherine Jackson’s life expectancy, so the judge relented. Ackerman said based on a table used in wrongful death case, Michael Jackson’s presumed life expectancy was 29 years. (AP) Panish asked what was the life expectancy for a 50 year old male based on the table he used to calculate Katherine Jackson’s life expectancy. Ackerman: According to this table a male of 50 years old would be 29.6 years. (ABC7)

                There was a lot of back-and-forth about how much money Ackerman projected Jackson could have given Mrs. Jackson, his kids if he’d lived. His big-ticket number from yesterday was more than $21 million over the next 15 years, but Ackerman said it could have been less. Asked by Panish whether he could say how much Jackson would have given, Ackerman said that was for the jury to decide. (AP) “I can’t speculate what he’d give for support” Ackerman said. “I do know he was in very precarious financial situation at the time he died.” “He could’ve been bankrupt within 6 months as far as I know,” Ackerman opined. Panish asked if after bankruptcy MJ wouldn’t have debt left. Ackerman: He would not be able to provide support for his mother and children then. (ABC7)

                Ackerman said MJ received $6.2 million in advance from AEG. Panish said MJ received $23 million in 6 months in 2009. Panish: You can’t tell us what support he would be able to provide, right, sir? Ackerman: I think that’s for the jury to decide. (ABC7)

                Panish: Did you know MJ gave Mrs. Jackson a $500,000 RV? Ackerman: Yes, it was in my analysis. (ABC7)

                Ackerman said there was no record of MJ’s amount of donations over the years. Ackerman testifies he saw on documents that MJ was going to donate the proceeds of “Dangerous” tour to charity. Panish: Did you see he donated over $60 million to charity? Objection, sustained. (ABC7) Panish asked at one point whether Ackerman knew of anyone who donated more to charity than Jackson. Bill Gates, the consultant replied. The lawyer then asked Ackerman whether he was familiar with Jackson being in the Guinness Book of World Records for his charitable giving. Ackerman wasn’t familiar with that distinction. Panish moved on to other topics. (AP) Panish: Do you agree MJ was a very generous person? Ackerman: I absolutely agree with that. (ABC7)

                Panish asked if he thought MJ would give the kids everything he thought important. Ackerman responded MJ wanted his children to be humble. (ABC7)

                Panish asked about the billings by Ackerman’s firm. He said it was reasonable to expect the firm had billed $900k or more at this point. (AP) The bill for Ackerman’s firm is about $900,000 currently. Panish wrote on a board what other damages expert for AEG charged. Bill from damages experts for AEG: Briggs — $700,000 Ackerman — $900,000 Total: $1.6 million (ABC7)

                Ackerman doesn’t recall being qualified as expert witness for plaintiffs in a wrongful death case. Panish asked what percentage of his work is in wrongful death cases. “Very small percentage,” Ackerman responded. (ABC7) The lawyer asked about Ackerman’s experience in wrongful death cases. He’d only worked on “a handful” he said, but never testified in one. (AP)

                Ackerman said he reviewed a lot of trial testimony, but even more depositions in this case (ABC7)

                Panish asked Ackerman for amount he used for the chart before he applied the 18% discount rate to bring the final number to present value. Ackerman looked at docs in his binders, said he doesn’t have original numbers w/ him. He said the calculations need to be done in software. Panish showed Ackerman Formuzis analysis and the calculation for personal consumption and professional fees. Formuzis used 7% discount rate. Panish asked if Ackerman used the same rate. “It’s an improper rate why would I do that?” Ackerman responded. (ABC7)

                MJ had a $320 million debt against the Sony/ATV catalogue. Ackerman said the highest interest rate was 16.85%. Panish asked Ackerman if he read IRS valued of Sony/ATV catalogue at $700 million. “It would not change my conclusion, no sir,” Ackerman explained. Panish said Briggs testified independent appraisal valued at Sony/ATV catalogue at $700 million: $300MM on top of $400MM MJ had in debt. “I’m having a really hard time using that number,” Ackerman said. (ABC7) Panish questioned Ackerman on the value of Jackson’s share of the Sony-ATV music catalog and an IRS appraisal of its worth at $700 million. Ackerman said he thought there was “strong testimony that conflicts with” the $700 million figure and he had a hard time believing it. At around this point, Ackerman mentioned an estate accounting, which was prohibited by the judge. She struck his answer. (AP)

                Panish: AEG knew MJ’s financial condition when they entered into an agreement with him, didn’t they, sir? Ackerman: I don’t know that.Panish asked if Ackerman read Randy Phillips’ deposition where he said they were aware of MJ’s finances. (ABC7)Panish also asked whether AEG Live knew about Jackson’s financial condition. Ackerman said he didn’t know and the lawyer pointed to testimony by Randy Phillips that said the company was aware of MJ’s debt and knew he needed to work to avert “financial disaster.” Panish showed Ackerman numerous passages from depositions. Ackerman read them very deliberately. Ackerman: “I’m not here for a memory test.” He said that after Panish questioned his recollection of testimony he had read earlier. (AP)

                Ackerman said MIJAC catalogue was same amount of the debts on it. He said the value is about $ 75 million. “There was no equity in that asset in June 2009,” Ackerman said he read in the documents. Ackerman said he did not put a value on the assets MJ had. “Liability exceeded any amount of value of the assets,” Ackerman testified. Sony/ATV catalogue — there’s a value MIJAC catalogue — there’s some value Neverland — there’s some value (ABC7)

                Panish asked if Ackerman read Tom Barrack’s testimony that he met with MJ several times to straighten his financial situation. Ackerman said there was some mention to it but doesn’t remember the details of the meeting. Panish showed Ackerman several bills from his firm where they researched Colony Capital and MJ’s deal. Ackerman: Colony Capital came in when Neverland was about to be foreclosed and lent MJ $23 million with a very interest high rate, by the way. Panish: But didn’t you testify yesterday the loan had no interest? Ackerman explained it was high interest loan but he didn’t have to pay it (ABC7)

                Panish: Her never liquidated his assets, did he sir? Ackerman: He never did. Panish said MJ didn’t want to liquidate his assets, instead he wanted to go back touring. (ABC7)

                Ackerman said Michael Jackson signed the contract with AEG to go back on tour. (ABC7) Panish asked about Jackson’s contract with AEG Live, and the consultant said he didn’t remember who signed it. After a few moments, Ackerman said he believed Michael Jackson signed the agreement. He said he focused “on numbers, not process.” (AP)

                Panish asked where Ackerman researched Colony Capital and MJ’s deals. “There’s a really interesting tool called internet, there are a lot of things you can find there,” Ackerman responded. Panish asked if MJ decided to go on tour after meeting with Tom Barrack. Ackerman said it appeared that way. (ABC7)

                Panish: Did you do any discount rate of 7, 10 or 15%? Ackerman: No, I did not. I used 18%. (ABC7)

                Panish: Have you prepared calculation of personal consumption for MJ per year? Ackerman: I actually calculated something this morning. Ackerman said the bars on the graph he showed yesterday include personal consumption. Panish asked if he came up with numbers after speaking with his attorneys yesterday. “Today is typically after yesterday,” Ackerman responded. Judge struck the answer. (ABC7)

                Panish: Do you know if AEG submitted a $300,000 in expense that had been accrued for the the services of Dr. Murray? Ackerman: I have a vague recollection of seeing this number. Panish showed documents to Ackerman to refresh his recollection. (ABC7)

                Panish asked a few questions about the “This Is It” expenses that Tohme Tohme signed for before the lunch break. (AP)

                Panish asked if Ackerman knows that Erk did not include the interest rate in his calculations of consumption. He said yes. Ackerman said had Erk included interest, the red bar would go much higher, since most of the expenses are interest. (ABC7)

                Panish: Did Mr. Briggs give a number for loss of future earnings for MJ? Ackerman said he recalls Briggs saying projections were speculative. Panish: Did Mr. Briggs give an opinion the amount MJ would lose in future earnings? Ackerman: I don’t recall. Panish asked if Briggs said the amount for future earning for MJ would be zero. Ackerman said he doesn’t remember Briggs putting a number. “My fundamental understanding his (Briggs) testimony is that Mr. Erk’s calculations were speculative,” Ackerman said. (ABC7)

                “The reality is that Mr. Jackson could lose money,” Ackerman said, pointing that MJ had debts that could offset anything he earned. Panish: Did Mr. Briggs put no figure for loss of income for MJ’s life? Ackerman: That’s correct. Panish: And in your opinion is that the children lost $21.5 millions in future support? Ackerman said that was correct, if you were to believe MJ would continue to give the same support as previous years. “It could be zero support too,” Ackerman opined. “He was in pretty bad financial situation.” Panish asked if support could’ve been zero. “I guess in that situation yes, it could have been zero,” Ackerman responded. Panish: For $1.6 million, it’s your and Briggs’ opinion, that MJ’s loss of future earning could be zero? Ackerman: That’s a possibility. (ABC7)

                After the break, Panish didn’t immediately ask about the tour expenses budget again. Instead, he asked about Ackerman’s projections. Panish asked Ackerman whether his opinion was, based on Jackson’s poor financial state, the singer might not have been able to give his mother and three children any support if he had lived. Ackerman said it was a possibility. Panish made the remark that between Ackerman and Eric Briggs’ $1.6 million in fees, they had opinions that Jackson could have left nothing to his mother, children if he had lived. With Ackerman’s acknowledgement that was a possibility, Panish sat down (AP)


                AEG redirect

                AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong took over, and asked Ackerman about Jackson’s annual spending. He said it averaged about $35 million a year, but fluctuated from $23 on the low end to almost $45 million on the high end. Strong asked whether in 2009, I appeared Jackson had the resources to keep spending like that. The consultant said no. “He dug himself a very deep hole,” Ackerman said of Jackson’s debts by the time he died. Strong asked Ackerman about a couple deposition pages, at which point the consultant read the testimony into the record. Ackerman was supposed to read the passages to himself, not aloud to the jury. That’s not the way it’s supposed to be done, so the judge ended up taking the deposition away from him. “After you read it, you give it to me,” Judge Palazuelos said. “I guess we’re going to have to do it the old-fashioned way. (AP)

                Sabrina Strong did re-direct. She asked the witness if there a difference between consumption and spending. He said no. “I believe I shared multiple data points of how much Mr. Jackson spent on the last 8 years of his life,” Ackerman said. Strong showed exhibit with chart Ackerman made regarding MJ’s expenses. Ackerman said the bars show what MJ actually spent. Strong: Does that include business and personal spending? Ackerman said yes, that the bars included interest, business, personal, all that came out of MJ’s checkbook, since he was responsible for all. “He dug himself a very deep hole,” Ackerman explained. “He was tapped out.” Ackerman said there was very strong language in Michael Kane’s deposition that Michael Jackson was tapped out. “Mr. Barrack was in the frame of mind that MJ didn’t have enough income to support his spending and lifestyle,” Ackerman testified. Strong: Were there other outstanding debt for Mr. Jackson at the time Tohme was holding the $5 million for MJ? Ackerman: Huge. Ackerman listed MJ’s debts: Sony/ATV Neverland Condo Hayvenhurst MIJAC. Ackerman said on top of that there were creditors debts in the amount of $100 million. “There were just no shortage of people he had to pay,” Ackerman explained. “As the debt continue to grow, the interest continued to grow,” Ackerman explained. Ackerman: There is a significant issue of doubt whether he (MJ) would be able to continue to provide support. “He couldn’t get an increase in his $50,000 credit card limit,” Ackerman said. “That’s how bad it was.” (ABC7)

                Ackerman said the MJ’s income were from Sony/ATV and MIJAC catalogues. “You lose the asset, you lose the income,” Ackerman opined. (ABC7) Strong asked about Jackson’s loan on the Sony-ATV catalog. Ackerman said the creditors were extremely well protected. Sony had guaranteed to repay the loan if Jackson defaulted, Ackerman said. “It was one of the most secure pieces of debt I’ve ever seen.” (AP) Strong asked about IRS’ valuation of Sony catalogue. Ackerman said Briggs’ opinion was that that asset was not that valuable. Ackerman said Briggs did valuation of Sony/ATV catalogue for tax return purposed on behalf of MJ’s Estate. Ackerman said the Sony/ATV catalogue debt interest was 7%. This was the majority of the debt MJ had. Ackerman explained the Sony/ATV loan was very unique in many ways. He said it was collateralized by the catalogue itself. He also said there was a bankruptcy remote trust attached to the catalogue, if asset were to be sold the proceeds would first to repay debt. On top of that, Ackerman said Sony guaranteed they would pay $300 million in case everything else failed. “It was the most secured loan I’ve ever seen,” Ackerman said. “It caused the interest rate to go way down.” (ABC7)

                Strong asked about the bill Panish said AEG submitted to MJ’s Estate that included $300,000 for the cost of Dr. Murray’s services. Ackerman read the footnote: the contract is not signed by MJ and such a signature was a condition precedent to any payment obligation. (ABC7)

                Strong then asked whether a $35k a month mortgage _ like the one on Hayvenhurst _ was necessary to live. No, Ackerman said. Strong’s questions were meant to rebut questions by Panish about whether MJ had provided his mother the necessities of life, such as housing. The judge stopped Strong from asking her line of questions on this topic, and her questioning concluded soon after that. (AP) Regarding necessities to live, Strong asked Ackerman if a mortgage of $35,000 a month is necessary to live. He answered no. Strong: Do you believe $111,000 a year in repairs and maintenance necessary to live? Objection, lack of foundation. Judge sustained. (ABC7)

                Ackerman said Prince drives a Ford truck. He calculated his car to be a BMW. The expert explained his oversight only benefited the plaintiffs, since he calculated more money for support. Ackerman said MJ would have to have enough income to service all the debts, personnel, creditors and to support to plaintiffs. “I think he’d have significant difficulty in continue to provide the support,” Ackerman opined. (ABC7)


                Jackson recross


                Panish, in re-direct, asked if Barrack testified that, with Colony Capital help, MJ could overcome his debts and he could become a success? Ackerman: I don’t recall that. After reviewing Barrack’s deposition, Ackerman said yes. “I think they all thought and hoped the tour would be successful,” Ackerman testified. (ABC7)

                Panish took over, and showed Ackerman the budget attached to the document that MJ’s manager Tohme signed in 2009. One version that the jury’s seen and Ackerman testified about had a footnote on it that $300k set aside for Murray wouldn't be paid because the contract was contingent on Jackson signing it. But the version presented to Tohme on June 28 lacked that footnote. (AP)

                Panish: Did you read anything about MJ’s relationship with his mother and children? Ackerman: My recollection it was very loving. Panish: Did you read anywhere that MJ denied his mother or children anything? Ackerman: I don’t recall that. (ABC7)

                Panish asked if Ackerman is here to help the plaintiffs. He said he’s here to try to be fair. Ackerman said he came up with a very generous support numbers should the jury decide to award anything. Ackerman said at the end of MJ’s life, he had close to $30 million a year in interest, his total overall expenses was $30-45 million range. Panish: Did you do a calculation for the loss of their father, loss of care, comfort, society, affection? Ackerman: I don’t think I’m qualified to calculate that. (ABC7)

                Ackerman was excused. Judge broke for afternoon break.


                (( Outside the presence of the jury, there was a discussion with the attorneys whether plaintiffs have formally rested their case. Panish to tell the judge in the morning. She wants to tell the jury and put it in the record. Defendants have filed a motion for non-suit already. Judge said she won’t rule on it right away. (ABC7))



                Dr Gordon Hiroshi Sasaki video deposition

                Dr. Sasaki graduated from Pomona College in 1964, degree in Bachelor of Arts. He went to Yale University for his medical school, graduated in 1968. Dr. Sasaki served in Vietnam and wore several hats as doctor, including anesthesia and plastic surgery on days off. He laughed at that last comment. (ABC7) The doctor talked about his experience, going to medical school at Yale, then going to Vietnam to serve as a doctor. (AP)

                Sasaki performed a few medical procedures on Jackson in the 1990s, including surgery on his scalp to try to repair damage from burns. Jackson’s scalp had been burned in 1984 while filming a Pepsi commercial. Sasaki’s testimony was taped on Feb. 7, 2013. Sasaki performed two scalp surgeries after being introduced to Jackson by Dr. Steven Hoefflin. He also worked with Dr. Klein. (AP) Q: Did you ever provide medical treatment to MJ? A: Yes, I did. Dr. Sasaki said he did two surgeries on MJ’s scalp and 3 on the upper lip for contouring. March 16, 1993 was the first surgery Dr. Sasaki performed on MJ. It was to reduce scar on the scalp, the bald spot. Second surgery was on October 31, 1997 for scar revision to reduce the width of the reduced scar on the scalp. (ABC7)

                Dr. Sasaki: The medical care, which included post operation and pain management, were taken out of my hands willingly. Dr. Sasaki said the care was placed into two other doctors that Mr. Jackson thought would be the best. Dr. Sasaki said the other two doctors were Steven Hoefflin and Arnold Klein. At some point Dr. Metzger as well, he said. Dr. Sasaki on how he met MJ: I received a phone call from Dr. Steven Hoefflin, a plastic surgeon. Dr. Sasaki said he was asked to assist him in providing different alternatives to take care of the bald spot on his scalp. The consultation with MJ and Dr. Hoefflin was set up, Dr. Sasazi said. Dr. Hoefflin is a well known plastic surgeon in Los Angeles. The surgery in 1993 lasted about half an hour. Dr. Sasazi explained he put a metal on a side of the defect and a metal on the other side. He then put stitches going from one side of the metal to the other, crank it to put the sides together. Dr. Sasaki said the method results in about 30% more skin from stretching. He then put ballon in the scalp to stretch further to cover scar. Dr. Hoefflin was his first assistant in the surgery. Dr. Sasaki said he knew generically that in 1988 MJ had a burn in his scalp. He said he understands the burn happened during a Pepsi commercial and it had healed, but MJ wanted to reduce the scar. The scar was in the middle part of the scalp, Dr. Sasaki said. (ABC7)

                Sasaki was invited twice to Neverland Ranch after the procedures, once with his family when Jackson wasn’t there. The second Neverland trip was a house call to check on his wound after a medical procedure. (AP) Dr. Sasaki: He was kind enough to invite myself and my family to Neverland. Dr. Sasaki: We went up there, he was not there, but he was not supposed to be there. The staff served us lunch and showed us around. Dr. Sasaki said he visited Neverland Ranch twice, once with his family and once at MJ”s request. Dr. Sasaki: I think he just wanted to have me look at his wound, which was healing quite well. “More than talking about him, we talked about the Bible,” Dr. Sasaki said. He said he was there for medical purposes, though, The visits may have been 5 years apart. (ABC7)

                Sasaki recalled that he was told that Jackson had a low pain tolerance, and that Hoefflin would take care of managing it. The doctor said that was unusual, since he usually saw patients throughout their recovery process. He said sometimes docs want to keep control of their celebrity patients, but noted he was just speculating that’s what was happening with MJ (AP) Dr. Sasaki prepared a summary of all the treatment of MJ on Feb 7, 2013. He wrote Dr. Hoefflin told him MJ had a low threshold to pain. Dr. Hoefflin strongly suggested he managed the pain medications since he knew the patient better. Dr. Sasaki said that with celebrities, when he doesn’t get to see patients frequently, he prefers not to treat them. Q: Did you provide any post operation pain care? A: None Q: Was that unusual? A: It’s highly unusual. Dr. Sasaki said if he doesn’t see the patient regularly he prefers not to give pain medication. He said he never talked to MJ about the pain treatment. Dr. Sasaki: I think when you’re dealing with high profile clients, some doctors prefer to keep it under control. Dr. Sasaki said he did the surgery but didn’t see the patient until 2-3 months later, which is highly unusual. Q: Did you prescribe any medication to MJ? A: No. Dr. Sasaki said normally a patient who undergoes that kind of surgery has pain lasting for 6 weeks. (ABC7)

                In July 1993, Sasaki said he spoke to Klein, who suggested that he prescribe Jackson Percocet to deal with his pain. Sasaki’s notes indicated that he suggested Jackson see a pain management specialist. The doctor said he grew uncomfortable prescribing Percocet after Jackson requested the medicine 3 times between July-Aug. 1993. Each time Sasaki said he gave the singer 45 pills but he was concerned about the frequency of the requests. Sasaki said Klein told him that he would take care of Jackson’s pain needs. On Aug. 15, 1993, the doctor saw Jackson again. This time, Sasaki said he gave Jackson Demerol because the singer complained of serious pain. The doctor said it was the only time he ever gave anyone Demerol because the drug can start to alter a patient’s lifestyle. Sasaki said at the time, Dr. Klein told him that he was concerned about Jackson’s performance on a world tour. The last time Sasaki treated Jackson was in in 1998 and he never saw the singer again after that. (AP)

                Dr. Sasaki testified from his record that on June 30, 1993 he had the first post op follow up at the Dr. Klein’s office. He said MJ was experiencing pain due to his work and rehearsals. He had to wear a hairpiece to camouflage the scar. Dr. Sasaki said he told Debbie Rowe that the area should be exposed to air as much as possible to heal. On July 3, 1993, Dr. Sasaki prescribed Percocet for MJ. It was the first time he prescribed pain medication to MJ. Dr. Sasaki said he spoke with Dr. Klein and that Klein suggested Percocet. On July 20, 1993, there was another request for Percocet, due to strenuous rehearsals, prescribed with the knowledge of Dr. Klein. On Aug 10, 1993, Dr Sasaki received a phone call from Dr. Klein that MJ was experiencing extreme pain. Doctor said pain was normal 4-6 weeks after surgery due to the nerves growing back Dr. Sasaki suggested to Dr. Klein that MJ be seen by a pain management specialist. “I was concerned about pain patterns and his use of Percocet,” Dr. Sasaki testified. Q: Was he taking too much? A: Yes Q: Where you the only person prescribing Percocet to MJ? A: I don’t know. Dr. Sasaki said he prescribed 45 tablets of Percocet each time. Dr. Sasaki told Dr. Klein and MJ he would no longer prescribe Percocet to MJ since he was asking for too much. Percocet prescription, 45 tablets each time, were prescribed on: July 3, July 20 and Aug 10, 1993. Q: Was that very frequent? A: Frequent. On Aug 15, 1993, Dr. Sasaki said he saw patient, with Debbie Rowe. He was complaining to pain in scar area, area had healed completely. Dr. Sasaki said he injected site with pain reliever, gave Demerol 100 mg, suggested MJ to see pain specialist. Aug 15, 1993 Dr. Sasaki prescribed Demerol to MJ under Omar Arnold. This was the first and last time Dr. Sasaki gave Demerol to MJ, he said. Dr. Sasaki explained Demerol is for acute pain, not chronic pain, following major surgery. Q: About how often do you prescribe Demerol? A: None. “Because I don’t do that kind of surgery that requires that kind of pain medication,” Dr Sasaki testified. Dr. Sasaki said MJ was the only patient he injected with Demerol. (ABC7)

                He testified he is not familiar with MJ’s announcement in 1993 about being dependent on prescription medication. “I’m totally ignorant regarding that,” Dr. Sasaki said. (ABC7)

                May 1998 was last time Dr. Sasaki saw and spoke with MJ. He knew doctors Hoefflin, Klein and Metzger treated MJ back then. That ended the video deposition. (ABC7)


                Zusammenfassung von Ivy,MJJC #71

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                Zusammenfassungen der vorangegangenen gerichtstage:
                Day 1 - 50
                Day 51 - zeuge Dr. Emery Brown Video Deposition; zeuge Peter Formuzis
                Day 52 - zeugin Katherine Jackson
                Day 53 - forts. zeugin K. Jackson; AEG-zeuge John Meglen
                Day 54 - forts. AEG-zeuge Meglen
                Day 55 - zeugen J. Meglen; Dr. Alimorad Farshchian Video Deposition
                Day 56 - zeuge David Fournier
                Day 57 - zeugen Dr. Scott Saunders per video depo.; Eric Briggs
                Day 58 - zeuge Eric Briggs
                Day 59 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                Day 60 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                Day 61 - forts. zeuge Briggs; zeuge Michael LaPerruque
                Day 62 - forts. zeuge Michael LaPerruque; zeuge Eric Briggs; Timm Wooley video deposition
                Day 63 - zeugin Kathleen Ann Jorrie
                Day 64 - forts. zeugin Kathy Jorrie
                Day 65 - zeuge Kenny Ortega
                Day 66 - zeugin Kathy Jorrie; Randy Jackson Video Depo.
                Day 67 - zeuge William Ackerman


                Exklusiv transcripts eröffnungsstatements u.a. (MJJC #1 ff.)

                Zeugenaussage von Prince Michael Jackson Jr.; exklusiv transcripts von MJJC # 7

                Deposition transcripts filed with the court.
                Note : these are not the full depositions, they are only the portions played in the court.

                Dr. Stuart Finkelstein Deposition video transcript
                Dr. Earley Deposition video transcript
                Tim Leiweke Deposition video transcript
                Randy Phillips Deposition video transcript
                Quelle Ivy, MJJC #50
                Zuletzt geändert von rip.michael; 20.08.2013, 12:01.

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                • Jacksons vs AEG - Day 68 – August 13 2013 – Summary

                  Katherine Jackson is present in court

                  Court started this morning with 40 minutes of arguments on William Ackerman’s testimony. Ackerman is a defense witness testifying about Michael Jackson’s finances. Plaintiffs wanted some of his testimony stricken. Plaintiff’s attorneys Kevin Boyle and Brian Panish argued that testimony about Jackson’s debts is prejudicial and should be stricken. AEG’s lawyers Marvin Putnam and Jessica Stebbins Bina countered it was important to this case and how much MJ could have given to his family. “The case law is clear , you can’t give what you don’t have,” Putnam told the judge. Ackerman’s opinion is that MJ was in a precarious financial condition due to debts, including a large loan on his share of Sony-ATV catalog. Panish kept asking AEG Live’s lawyers to provide a case that allowed them to present evidence about MJ’s debts. Stebbins Bina eventually cited one case. That prompted the judge to ask plaintiffs for a case citation if they could find one later. For the time being, Judge Yvette Palazuelos overruled the plaintiff’s objections and declined to strike Ackerman’s testimony from yesterday. (AP)

                  Ackerman and Panish have also been in some tense exchanges, so the judge admonished Ackerman to not argue with Panish. Ackerman has also had to be told by judge to answer questions with a “yes” or “no” several times. She told him to listen to her instructions (AP)



                  William Ackerman Testimony


                  Jackson cross

                  Ackerman is back on the stand for cross examination. Brian Panish, attorney for the Jacksons, doing the questioning. (ABC7)

                  One of the first questions Ackerman was asked was about Michael Jackson’s life expectancy _ the judge blocked the question yesterday. Plaintiff’s lawyer Brian Panish complained that Ackerman had testified about Katherine Jackson’s life expectancy, so the judge relented. Ackerman said based on a table used in wrongful death case, Michael Jackson’s presumed life expectancy was 29 years. (AP) Panish asked what was the life expectancy for a 50 year old male based on the table he used to calculate Katherine Jackson’s life expectancy. Ackerman: According to this table a male of 50 years old would be 29.6 years. (ABC7)

                  There was a lot of back-and-forth about how much money Ackerman projected Jackson could have given Mrs. Jackson, his kids if he’d lived. His big-ticket number from yesterday was more than $21 million over the next 15 years, but Ackerman said it could have been less. Asked by Panish whether he could say how much Jackson would have given, Ackerman said that was for the jury to decide. (AP) “I can’t speculate what he’d give for support” Ackerman said. “I do know he was in very precarious financial situation at the time he died.” “He could’ve been bankrupt within 6 months as far as I know,” Ackerman opined. Panish asked if after bankruptcy MJ wouldn’t have debt left. Ackerman: He would not be able to provide support for his mother and children then. (ABC7)

                  Ackerman said MJ received $6.2 million in advance from AEG. Panish said MJ received $23 million in 6 months in 2009. Panish: You can’t tell us what support he would be able to provide, right, sir? Ackerman: I think that’s for the jury to decide. (ABC7)

                  Panish: Did you know MJ gave Mrs. Jackson a $500,000 RV? Ackerman: Yes, it was in my analysis. (ABC7)

                  Ackerman said there was no record of MJ’s amount of donations over the years. Ackerman testifies he saw on documents that MJ was going to donate the proceeds of “Dangerous” tour to charity. Panish: Did you see he donated over $60 million to charity? Objection, sustained. (ABC7) Panish asked at one point whether Ackerman knew of anyone who donated more to charity than Jackson. Bill Gates, the consultant replied. The lawyer then asked Ackerman whether he was familiar with Jackson being in the Guinness Book of World Records for his charitable giving. Ackerman wasn’t familiar with that distinction. Panish moved on to other topics. (AP) Panish: Do you agree MJ was a very generous person? Ackerman: I absolutely agree with that. (ABC7)

                  Panish asked if he thought MJ would give the kids everything he thought important. Ackerman responded MJ wanted his children to be humble. (ABC7)

                  Panish asked about the billings by Ackerman’s firm. He said it was reasonable to expect the firm had billed $900k or more at this point. (AP) The bill for Ackerman’s firm is about $900,000 currently. Panish wrote on a board what other damages expert for AEG charged. Bill from damages experts for AEG: Briggs — $700,000 Ackerman — $900,000 Total: $1.6 million (ABC7)

                  Ackerman doesn’t recall being qualified as expert witness for plaintiffs in a wrongful death case. Panish asked what percentage of his work is in wrongful death cases. “Very small percentage,” Ackerman responded. (ABC7) The lawyer asked about Ackerman’s experience in wrongful death cases. He’d only worked on “a handful” he said, but never testified in one. (AP)

                  Ackerman said he reviewed a lot of trial testimony, but even more depositions in this case (ABC7)

                  Panish asked Ackerman for amount he used for the chart before he applied the 18% discount rate to bring the final number to present value. Ackerman looked at docs in his binders, said he doesn’t have original numbers w/ him. He said the calculations need to be done in software. Panish showed Ackerman Formuzis analysis and the calculation for personal consumption and professional fees. Formuzis used 7% discount rate. Panish asked if Ackerman used the same rate. “It’s an improper rate why would I do that?” Ackerman responded. (ABC7)

                  MJ had a $320 million debt against the Sony/ATV catalogue. Ackerman said the highest interest rate was 16.85%. Panish asked Ackerman if he read IRS valued of Sony/ATV catalogue at $700 million. “It would not change my conclusion, no sir,” Ackerman explained. Panish said Briggs testified independent appraisal valued at Sony/ATV catalogue at $700 million: $300MM on top of $400MM MJ had in debt. “I’m having a really hard time using that number,” Ackerman said. (ABC7) Panish questioned Ackerman on the value of Jackson’s share of the Sony-ATV music catalog and an IRS appraisal of its worth at $700 million. Ackerman said he thought there was “strong testimony that conflicts with” the $700 million figure and he had a hard time believing it. At around this point, Ackerman mentioned an estate accounting, which was prohibited by the judge. She struck his answer. (AP)

                  Panish: AEG knew MJ’s financial condition when they entered into an agreement with him, didn’t they, sir? Ackerman: I don’t know that.Panish asked if Ackerman read Randy Phillips’ deposition where he said they were aware of MJ’s finances. (ABC7)Panish also asked whether AEG Live knew about Jackson’s financial condition. Ackerman said he didn’t know and the lawyer pointed to testimony by Randy Phillips that said the company was aware of MJ’s debt and knew he needed to work to avert “financial disaster.” Panish showed Ackerman numerous passages from depositions. Ackerman read them very deliberately. Ackerman: “I’m not here for a memory test.” He said that after Panish questioned his recollection of testimony he had read earlier. (AP)

                  Ackerman said MIJAC catalogue was same amount of the debts on it. He said the value is about $ 75 million. “There was no equity in that asset in June 2009,” Ackerman said he read in the documents. Ackerman said he did not put a value on the assets MJ had. “Liability exceeded any amount of value of the assets,” Ackerman testified. Sony/ATV catalogue — there’s a value MIJAC catalogue — there’s some value Neverland — there’s some value (ABC7)

                  Panish asked if Ackerman read Tom Barrack’s testimony that he met with MJ several times to straighten his financial situation. Ackerman said there was some mention to it but doesn’t remember the details of the meeting. Panish showed Ackerman several bills from his firm where they researched Colony Capital and MJ’s deal. Ackerman: Colony Capital came in when Neverland was about to be foreclosed and lent MJ $23 million with a very interest high rate, by the way. Panish: But didn’t you testify yesterday the loan had no interest? Ackerman explained it was high interest loan but he didn’t have to pay it (ABC7)

                  Panish: Her never liquidated his assets, did he sir? Ackerman: He never did. Panish said MJ didn’t want to liquidate his assets, instead he wanted to go back touring. (ABC7)

                  Ackerman said Michael Jackson signed the contract with AEG to go back on tour. (ABC7) Panish asked about Jackson’s contract with AEG Live, and the consultant said he didn’t remember who signed it. After a few moments, Ackerman said he believed Michael Jackson signed the agreement. He said he focused “on numbers, not process.” (AP)

                  Panish asked where Ackerman researched Colony Capital and MJ’s deals. “There’s a really interesting tool called internet, there are a lot of things you can find there,” Ackerman responded. Panish asked if MJ decided to go on tour after meeting with Tom Barrack. Ackerman said it appeared that way. (ABC7)

                  Panish: Did you do any discount rate of 7, 10 or 15%? Ackerman: No, I did not. I used 18%. (ABC7)

                  Panish: Have you prepared calculation of personal consumption for MJ per year? Ackerman: I actually calculated something this morning. Ackerman said the bars on the graph he showed yesterday include personal consumption. Panish asked if he came up with numbers after speaking with his attorneys yesterday. “Today is typically after yesterday,” Ackerman responded. Judge struck the answer. (ABC7)

                  Panish: Do you know if AEG submitted a $300,000 in expense that had been accrued for the the services of Dr. Murray? Ackerman: I have a vague recollection of seeing this number. Panish showed documents to Ackerman to refresh his recollection. (ABC7)

                  Panish asked a few questions about the “This Is It” expenses that Tohme Tohme signed for before the lunch break. (AP)

                  Panish asked if Ackerman knows that Erk did not include the interest rate in his calculations of consumption. He said yes. Ackerman said had Erk included interest, the red bar would go much higher, since most of the expenses are interest. (ABC7)

                  Panish: Did Mr. Briggs give a number for loss of future earnings for MJ? Ackerman said he recalls Briggs saying projections were speculative. Panish: Did Mr. Briggs give an opinion the amount MJ would lose in future earnings? Ackerman: I don’t recall. Panish asked if Briggs said the amount for future earning for MJ would be zero. Ackerman said he doesn’t remember Briggs putting a number. “My fundamental understanding his (Briggs) testimony is that Mr. Erk’s calculations were speculative,” Ackerman said. (ABC7)

                  “The reality is that Mr. Jackson could lose money,” Ackerman said, pointing that MJ had debts that could offset anything he earned. Panish: Did Mr. Briggs put no figure for loss of income for MJ’s life? Ackerman: That’s correct. Panish: And in your opinion is that the children lost $21.5 millions in future support? Ackerman said that was correct, if you were to believe MJ would continue to give the same support as previous years. “It could be zero support too,” Ackerman opined. “He was in pretty bad financial situation.” Panish asked if support could’ve been zero. “I guess in that situation yes, it could have been zero,” Ackerman responded. Panish: For $1.6 million, it’s your and Briggs’ opinion, that MJ’s loss of future earning could be zero? Ackerman: That’s a possibility. (ABC7)

                  After the break, Panish didn’t immediately ask about the tour expenses budget again. Instead, he asked about Ackerman’s projections. Panish asked Ackerman whether his opinion was, based on Jackson’s poor financial state, the singer might not have been able to give his mother and three children any support if he had lived. Ackerman said it was a possibility. Panish made the remark that between Ackerman and Eric Briggs’ $1.6 million in fees, they had opinions that Jackson could have left nothing to his mother, children if he had lived. With Ackerman’s acknowledgement that was a possibility, Panish sat down (AP)


                  AEG redirect

                  AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong took over, and asked Ackerman about Jackson’s annual spending. He said it averaged about $35 million a year, but fluctuated from $23 on the low end to almost $45 million on the high end. Strong asked whether in 2009, I appeared Jackson had the resources to keep spending like that. The consultant said no. “He dug himself a very deep hole,” Ackerman said of Jackson’s debts by the time he died. Strong asked Ackerman about a couple deposition pages, at which point the consultant read the testimony into the record. Ackerman was supposed to read the passages to himself, not aloud to the jury. That’s not the way it’s supposed to be done, so the judge ended up taking the deposition away from him. “After you read it, you give it to me,” Judge Palazuelos said. “I guess we’re going to have to do it the old-fashioned way. (AP)

                  Sabrina Strong did re-direct. She asked the witness if there a difference between consumption and spending. He said no. “I believe I shared multiple data points of how much Mr. Jackson spent on the last 8 years of his life,” Ackerman said. Strong showed exhibit with chart Ackerman made regarding MJ’s expenses. Ackerman said the bars show what MJ actually spent. Strong: Does that include business and personal spending? Ackerman said yes, that the bars included interest, business, personal, all that came out of MJ’s checkbook, since he was responsible for all. “He dug himself a very deep hole,” Ackerman explained. “He was tapped out.” Ackerman said there was very strong language in Michael Kane’s deposition that Michael Jackson was tapped out. “Mr. Barrack was in the frame of mind that MJ didn’t have enough income to support his spending and lifestyle,” Ackerman testified. Strong: Were there other outstanding debt for Mr. Jackson at the time Tohme was holding the $5 million for MJ? Ackerman: Huge. Ackerman listed MJ’s debts: Sony/ATV Neverland Condo Hayvenhurst MIJAC. Ackerman said on top of that there were creditors debts in the amount of $100 million. “There were just no shortage of people he had to pay,” Ackerman explained. “As the debt continue to grow, the interest continued to grow,” Ackerman explained. Ackerman: There is a significant issue of doubt whether he (MJ) would be able to continue to provide support. “He couldn’t get an increase in his $50,000 credit card limit,” Ackerman said. “That’s how bad it was.” (ABC7)

                  Ackerman said the MJ’s income were from Sony/ATV and MIJAC catalogues. “You lose the asset, you lose the income,” Ackerman opined. (ABC7) Strong asked about Jackson’s loan on the Sony-ATV catalog. Ackerman said the creditors were extremely well protected. Sony had guaranteed to repay the loan if Jackson defaulted, Ackerman said. “It was one of the most secure pieces of debt I’ve ever seen.” (AP) Strong asked about IRS’ valuation of Sony catalogue. Ackerman said Briggs’ opinion was that that asset was not that valuable. Ackerman said Briggs did valuation of Sony/ATV catalogue for tax return purposed on behalf of MJ’s Estate. Ackerman said the Sony/ATV catalogue debt interest was 7%. This was the majority of the debt MJ had. Ackerman explained the Sony/ATV loan was very unique in many ways. He said it was collateralized by the catalogue itself. He also said there was a bankruptcy remote trust attached to the catalogue, if asset were to be sold the proceeds would first to repay debt. On top of that, Ackerman said Sony guaranteed they would pay $300 million in case everything else failed. “It was the most secured loan I’ve ever seen,” Ackerman said. “It caused the interest rate to go way down.” (ABC7)

                  Strong asked about the bill Panish said AEG submitted to MJ’s Estate that included $300,000 for the cost of Dr. Murray’s services. Ackerman read the footnote: the contract is not signed by MJ and such a signature was a condition precedent to any payment obligation. (ABC7)

                  Strong then asked whether a $35k a month mortgage _ like the one on Hayvenhurst _ was necessary to live. No, Ackerman said. Strong’s questions were meant to rebut questions by Panish about whether MJ had provided his mother the necessities of life, such as housing. The judge stopped Strong from asking her line of questions on this topic, and her questioning concluded soon after that. (AP) Regarding necessities to live, Strong asked Ackerman if a mortgage of $35,000 a month is necessary to live. He answered no. Strong: Do you believe $111,000 a year in repairs and maintenance necessary to live? Objection, lack of foundation. Judge sustained. (ABC7)

                  Ackerman said Prince drives a Ford truck. He calculated his car to be a BMW. The expert explained his oversight only benefited the plaintiffs, since he calculated more money for support. Ackerman said MJ would have to have enough income to service all the debts, personnel, creditors and to support to plaintiffs. “I think he’d have significant difficulty in continue to provide the support,” Ackerman opined. (ABC7)


                  Jackson recross

                  Panish, in re-direct, asked if Barrack testified that, with Colony Capital help, MJ could overcome his debts and he could become a success? Ackerman: I don’t recall that. After reviewing Barrack’s deposition, Ackerman said yes. “I think they all thought and hoped the tour would be successful,” Ackerman testified. (ABC7)

                  Panish took over, and showed Ackerman the budget attached to the document that MJ’s manager Tohme signed in 2009. One version that the jury’s seen and Ackerman testified about had a footnote on it that $300k set aside for Murray wouldn't be paid because the contract was contingent on Jackson signing it. But the version presented to Tohme on June 28 lacked that footnote. (AP)

                  Panish: Did you read anything about MJ’s relationship with his mother and children? Ackerman: My recollection it was very loving. Panish: Did you read anywhere that MJ denied his mother or children anything? Ackerman: I don’t recall that. (ABC7)

                  Panish asked if Ackerman is here to help the plaintiffs. He said he’s here to try to be fair. Ackerman said he came up with a very generous support numbers should the jury decide to award anything. Ackerman said at the end of MJ’s life, he had close to $30 million a year in interest, his total overall expenses was $30-45 million range. Panish: Did you do a calculation for the loss of their father, loss of care, comfort, society, affection? Ackerman: I don’t think I’m qualified to calculate that. (ABC7)

                  Ackerman was excused. Judge broke for afternoon break.


                  (( Outside the presence of the jury, there was a discussion with the attorneys whether plaintiffs have formally rested their case. Panish to tell the judge in the morning. She wants to tell the jury and put it in the record. Defendants have filed a motion for non-suit already. Judge said she won’t rule on it right away. (ABC7))



                  Dr Gordon Hiroshi Sasaki video deposition


                  Dr. Sasaki graduated from Pomona College in 1964, degree in Bachelor of Arts. He went to Yale University for his medical school, graduated in 1968. Dr. Sasaki served in Vietnam and wore several hats as doctor, including anesthesia and plastic surgery on days off. He laughed at that last comment. (ABC7) The doctor talked about his experience, going to medical school at Yale, then going to Vietnam to serve as a doctor. (AP)

                  Sasaki performed a few medical procedures on Jackson in the 1990s, including surgery on his scalp to try to repair damage from burns. Jackson’s scalp had been burned in 1984 while filming a Pepsi commercial. Sasaki’s testimony was taped on Feb. 7, 2013. Sasaki performed two scalp surgeries after being introduced to Jackson by Dr. Steven Hoefflin. He also worked with Dr. Klein. (AP) Q: Did you ever provide medical treatment to MJ? A: Yes, I did. Dr. Sasaki said he did two surgeries on MJ’s scalp and 3 on the upper lip for contouring. March 16, 1993 was the first surgery Dr. Sasaki performed on MJ. It was to reduce scar on the scalp, the bald spot. Second surgery was on October 31, 1997 for scar revision to reduce the width of the reduced scar on the scalp. (ABC7)

                  Dr. Sasaki: The medical care, which included post operation and pain management, were taken out of my hands willingly. Dr. Sasaki said the care was placed into two other doctors that Mr. Jackson thought would be the best. Dr. Sasaki said the other two doctors were Steven Hoefflin and Arnold Klein. At some point Dr. Metzger as well, he said. Dr. Sasaki on how he met MJ: I received a phone call from Dr. Steven Hoefflin, a plastic surgeon. Dr. Sasaki said he was asked to assist him in providing different alternatives to take care of the bald spot on his scalp. The consultation with MJ and Dr. Hoefflin was set up, Dr. Sasazi said. Dr. Hoefflin is a well known plastic surgeon in Los Angeles. The surgery in 1993 lasted about half an hour. Dr. Sasazi explained he put a metal on a side of the defect and a metal on the other side. He then put stitches going from one side of the metal to the other, crank it to put the sides together. Dr. Sasaki said the method results in about 30% more skin from stretching. He then put ballon in the scalp to stretch further to cover scar. Dr. Hoefflin was his first assistant in the surgery. Dr. Sasaki said he knew generically that in 1988 MJ had a burn in his scalp. He said he understands the burn happened during a Pepsi commercial and it had healed, but MJ wanted to reduce the scar. The scar was in the middle part of the scalp, Dr. Sasaki said. (ABC7)

                  Sasaki was invited twice to Neverland Ranch after the procedures, once with his family when Jackson wasn’t there. The second Neverland trip was a house call to check on his wound after a medical procedure. (AP) Dr. Sasaki: He was kind enough to invite myself and my family to Neverland. Dr. Sasaki: We went up there, he was not there, but he was not supposed to be there. The staff served us lunch and showed us around. Dr. Sasaki said he visited Neverland Ranch twice, once with his family and once at MJ”s request. Dr. Sasaki: I think he just wanted to have me look at his wound, which was healing quite well. “More than talking about him, we talked about the Bible,” Dr. Sasaki said. He said he was there for medical purposes, though, The visits may have been 5 years apart. (ABC7)

                  Sasaki recalled that he was told that Jackson had a low pain tolerance, and that Hoefflin would take care of managing it. The doctor said that was unusual, since he usually saw patients throughout their recovery process. He said sometimes docs want to keep control of their celebrity patients, but noted he was just speculating that’s what was happening with MJ (AP) Dr. Sasaki prepared a summary of all the treatment of MJ on Feb 7, 2013. He wrote Dr. Hoefflin told him MJ had a low threshold to pain. Dr. Hoefflin strongly suggested he managed the pain medications since he knew the patient better. Dr. Sasaki said that with celebrities, when he doesn’t get to see patients frequently, he prefers not to treat them. Q: Did you provide any post operation pain care? A: None Q: Was that unusual? A: It’s highly unusual. Dr. Sasaki said if he doesn’t see the patient regularly he prefers not to give pain medication. He said he never talked to MJ about the pain treatment. Dr. Sasaki: I think when you’re dealing with high profile clients, some doctors prefer to keep it under control. Dr. Sasaki said he did the surgery but didn’t see the patient until 2-3 months later, which is highly unusual. Q: Did you prescribe any medication to MJ? A: No. Dr. Sasaki said normally a patient who undergoes that kind of surgery has pain lasting for 6 weeks. (ABC7)

                  In July 1993, Sasaki said he spoke to Klein, who suggested that he prescribe Jackson Percocet to deal with his pain. Sasaki’s notes indicated that he suggested Jackson see a pain management specialist. The doctor said he grew uncomfortable prescribing Percocet after Jackson requested the medicine 3 times between July-Aug. 1993. Each time Sasaki said he gave the singer 45 pills but he was concerned about the frequency of the requests. Sasaki said Klein told him that he would take care of Jackson’s pain needs. On Aug. 15, 1993, the doctor saw Jackson again. This time, Sasaki said he gave Jackson Demerol because the singer complained of serious pain. The doctor said it was the only time he ever gave anyone Demerol because the drug can start to alter a patient’s lifestyle. Sasaki said at the time, Dr. Klein told him that he was concerned about Jackson’s performance on a world tour. The last time Sasaki treated Jackson was in in 1998 and he never saw the singer again after that. (AP)

                  Dr. Sasaki testified from his record that on June 30, 1993 he had the first post op follow up at the Dr. Klein’s office. He said MJ was experiencing pain due to his work and rehearsals. He had to wear a hairpiece to camouflage the scar. Dr. Sasaki said he told Debbie Rowe that the area should be exposed to air as much as possible to heal. On July 3, 1993, Dr. Sasaki prescribed Percocet for MJ. It was the first time he prescribed pain medication to MJ. Dr. Sasaki said he spoke with Dr. Klein and that Klein suggested Percocet. On July 20, 1993, there was another request for Percocet, due to strenuous rehearsals, prescribed with the knowledge of Dr. Klein. On Aug 10, 1993, Dr Sasaki received a phone call from Dr. Klein that MJ was experiencing extreme pain. Doctor said pain was normal 4-6 weeks after surgery due to the nerves growing back Dr. Sasaki suggested to Dr. Klein that MJ be seen by a pain management specialist. “I was concerned about pain patterns and his use of Percocet,” Dr. Sasaki testified. Q: Was he taking too much? A: Yes Q: Where you the only person prescribing Percocet to MJ? A: I don’t know. Dr. Sasaki said he prescribed 45 tablets of Percocet each time. Dr. Sasaki told Dr. Klein and MJ he would no longer prescribe Percocet to MJ since he was asking for too much. Percocet prescription, 45 tablets each time, were prescribed on: July 3, July 20 and Aug 10, 1993. Q: Was that very frequent? A: Frequent. On Aug 15, 1993, Dr. Sasaki said he saw patient, with Debbie Rowe. He was complaining to pain in scar area, area had healed completely. Dr. Sasaki said he injected site with pain reliever, gave Demerol 100 mg, suggested MJ to see pain specialist. Aug 15, 1993 Dr. Sasaki prescribed Demerol to MJ under Omar Arnold. This was the first and last time Dr. Sasaki gave Demerol to MJ, he said. Dr. Sasaki explained Demerol is for acute pain, not chronic pain, following major surgery. Q: About how often do you prescribe Demerol? A: None. “Because I don’t do that kind of surgery that requires that kind of pain medication,” Dr Sasaki testified. Dr. Sasaki said MJ was the only patient he injected with Demerol. (ABC7)

                  He testified he is not familiar with MJ’s announcement in 1993 about being dependent on prescription medication. “I’m totally ignorant regarding that,” Dr. Sasaki said. (ABC7)

                  May 1998 was last time Dr. Sasaki saw and spoke with MJ. He knew doctors Hoefflin, Klein and Metzger treated MJ back then. That ended the video deposition. (ABC7)


                  Zusammenfassung von Ivy, MJJC #71

                  __________________________________________

                  Zusammenfassungen der vorangegangenen gerichtstage:
                  Day 1 - 50
                  Day 51 - zeuge Dr. Emery Brown Video Deposition; zeuge Peter Formuzis
                  Day 52 - zeugin Katherine Jackson
                  Day 53 - forts. zeugin K. Jackson; AEG-zeuge John Meglen
                  Day 54 - forts. AEG-zeuge Meglen
                  Day 55 - zeugen J. Meglen; Dr. Alimorad Farshchian Video Deposition
                  Day 56 - zeuge David Fournier
                  Day 57 - zeugen Dr. Scott Saunders per video depo.; Eric Briggs
                  Day 58 - zeuge Eric Briggs
                  Day 59 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                  Day 60 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                  Day 61 - forts. zeuge Briggs; zeuge Michael LaPerruque
                  Day 62 - forts. zeuge Michael LaPerruque; zeuge Eric Briggs; Timm Wooley video deposition
                  Day 63 - zeugin Kathleen Ann Jorrie
                  Day 64 - forts. zeugin Kathy Jorrie
                  Day 65 - zeuge Kenny Ortega
                  Day 66 - zeugin Kathy Jorrie; Randy Jackson Video Depo.
                  Day 67 - zeuge William Ackerman
                  Day 68 - forts. W. Ackerman


                  Exklusiv transcripts eröffnungsstatements u.a. (MJJC #1 ff.)

                  Zeugenaussage von Prince Michael Jackson Jr.; exklusiv transcripts von MJJC # 7

                  Deposition transcripts filed with the court.
                  Note : these are not the full depositions, they are only the portions played in the court.

                  Dr. Stuart Finkelstein Deposition video transcript
                  Dr. Earley Deposition video transcript
                  Tim Leiweke Deposition video transcript
                  Randy Phillips Deposition video transcript
                  Quelle Ivy, MJJC #50

                  Kommentar


                  • Jacksons vs AEG - Day 69 – August 14 2013 – Summary

                    Katherine Jackson is in court


                    Debbie Rowe Testimony



                    AEG Direct

                    Deborah J. Rowe on the stand. AEG attorney Marvin Putnam is conducting the direct examination. She's testifying pursuant to a subpoena. (ABC7)

                    Putnam: How are you doing today? Rowe: It's a little warm in here.

                    Putnam: Did you do anything to prepare for your testimony today? Rowe: I took a shower (people laughed). (ABC7) When Putnam asked if she did anything to prepare for her testimony, Rowe quipped, “Took a shower.” She hadn’t read her deposition or did any of the other steps many other witnesses had taken to prepare for her testimony. (AP)

                    Putnam named several attorneys for both sides and asked Rowe if she knew them. She knew some by name only, mostly she said no. (ABC7) Putnam also tried to establish her as an independent witness, getting her to states she came to court because of a subpoena, not voluntarily. Rowe was also asked whether she had met most of the attorneys in the room. She said no. He also asked about other plaintiffs’ attorneys. Putnam rattled off the names of Sandra Ribera, Perry Sanders, Kevin Boyle, KC Maxwell, Michael Koskoff and others. She didn’t know them. (AP)

                    Rowe started out fairly at ease on the witness stand, asking AEG Live’s defense attorney Marvin Putnam to get her testimony done today. She explained that she lives 60 miles away and it was a tough commute. “I sat at a light for 20 minutes. How do you people do it?” (AP) Rowe said she lives 60 miles away. "I sat in traffic at a light for 20 minutes! 20 minutes! " (ABC7)

                    "He became a patient, that's how I met him," Rowe said about MJ. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said she breeds and trains quarter horses and paint horses for 10 years. She was born in Spokane, Washington. Rowe's father was a pilot for the Air Force. Her parents divorced, the kids moved to Los Angeles. Rowe was 11. She went to Hollywood High, Valley College, studied to be a nurse tech, EMT, began working with Dr. Klein. Rowe studied to be EMT -- Emergency Medical Technician. She worked for extern time with Shaffer ambulance company. Rowe began working with Dr. Klein in July 1978-79. She said she's not good with dates, but is good with facts. "I hated history," she jokes. She graduated high school in 1977, went to college for a year, EMT class and then began working at Dr. Klein. (ABC7) Rowe was then asked about her personal history. She studied to be an Emergency Medical Technician, then went to work with Klein in late 70s. Rowe repeatedly told Putnam and the jury that she was bad with dates and wouldn't be able to recall them exactly. Putnam asked Rowe a question about Klein’s prominence. “He is a legend in his own mind,” Rowe replied. Rowe stopped working for Klein in 1996 or ’97 _ she couldn’t remember when. She said Jackson pushed her to return to college. Rowe said she ended up going back to school and got a BS in psychology. She then started a horse breeding program in Palmdale. (AP)

                    One of the girls who studied with her worked in the insurance billing of Klein's office and said the dermatologist was looking for assistant. "He was a legend in his own mind," Rowe said about Dr. Klein. "We had a very high profile clientele." Rowe said Klein is a dermatologist, began working on skin diseases, then specialized on Botox and collagen, which he's most known for now. She worked with Dr Klein until 1997. Rowe said she'd take patients to the room, take their history, find out why they came to see the doctor. She explained the procedure, return call for the doctor, did biopsy reports, scheduled appointments. (ABC7)

                    "Michael encourage me to go back to college," Rowe said, that's why she left Dr. Klein's office in 97. Rowe did Antioch University for 2 1/2 years. She got a degree in psychology. Rowe left LA and started her horse breeding in Palmdale. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said Dr. Klein would see high profile patients after hours or weekend. She got a call from Dr. Klein and tried really hard not to go. She said even though they we not registered nurses, Dr. Klein called them nurses instead assistants. Rowe said she opened the door of the room and MJ was there. "I introduced myself, said nobody does what you do better, you're amazing." "And nobody does what I do better, I'm amazing." She said MJ laughed about it and that's when the friendship started. This was in 1982 or 84 . This was the first time, to Rowe's knowledge, that MJ went to see Dr. Klein. Putnam asked what kind of treatment it was. Rowe asked judge if she's allowed to disclose medical information about patient. Judge said yes. "He was there for acne," Rowe responded. MJ was a patient of Dr. Klein until the time he passed away. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said she met Jackson while working for Klein as an assistant who took patient histories and helped schedule appointments with the dermatologist and other doctors. She said she met Jackson when Klein called her in on a weekend in the early 1980s. "I opened the door to the room and Michael was there. I introduced myself and I said, 'Nobody does what you do better. Nobody. You are amazing, but nobody does what I do better. I am amazing and if we could do these amazing things on regular time, I would appreciate it.'” (LATimes) Rowe described her first meeting with Jackson in the early 1980s, when he came into Klein's office for treatment of acne. She said Klein often met with celebrity patients on weekends and after-hours so they could avoid scrutiny, and in her first meeting with Jackson she asked him to come into the office for future visits at a more convenient time. "That's when our friendship started," she said.Rowe said she would frequently talk to Jackson on the phone and eventually started to accompany him to his treatments with Hoefflin. The plastic surgeon would give Jackson propofol during procedures and the singer would be unconscious for several hours. (AP) Rowe described her first meeting with Jackson, which came outside regular business hours when she wanted to spend time with her nieces. Rowe said she told MJ that they were both at the top of their fields, and said it’d be nice if he came to the office during regular hours. She said she was very casual with patients. “Dr. Klein would call me probably the least professional assistant he had,” Rowe said. Rowe said she was a great hand holder for patients, and that Jackson appreciated her playing that role with his treatments. They met in ’82 or ’84, and the singer started coming into the office more after he was diagnosed with lupus, she said. She and Jackson sparked up a friendship, speaking on the phone often and eventually seeing each other outside the office. (AP)

                    Rowe said Dr. Klein would call her, but she was probably the worse nurse, not formal at all. She said she's great hand holder but not a good to have scientific discussions. And Michael liked her casualness that way. "He came in more frequently," Rowe said after MJ was diagnosed with lupus in 93. "We would speak on the phone, quite often." They spoke regularly until they were divorced. Rowe said she married MJ in 1996. They were married for 3 years. She said she didn't move to Palmdale until 2002. Rowe said besides acne, they treated MJ for lupus and vitiligo. (ABC7)

                    She said she doesn't remember when collagen was approved by FDA. I know for sure it was during "Dangerous" tour. Putnam said it was 1992/93. MJ was receiving collagen before the tour for acne scar. Botox was not available yet.

                    Putnam: Was he being given pain medication or numbing? Rowe: Not in the beginning, I think we did it without anything once or twice. Rowe said they'd give MJ 100 mg of Demerol intramuscular. "I gave him the injection," she said. "Because of the pain of collagen injection." “He had a low tolerance for pain," Rowe said. Putnam: Where there other drugs for pain? Rowe: The only thing was 100 mg of Demerol.

                    Putnam: How about percodan? Rowe: No P: Valium? R: No. Putnam: How about Vicodin? Rowe: Not for procedures in the office. (ABC7)

                    Rowe begins to cry. "Michael respected doctors tremendously that they went to school and studied. And meant no harm," Rowe said, crying. "Unfortunately some doctors decided when Michael was in pain that they would try to outbid each other on who could give the better drug" "So he listened to the doctors." Rowe said the doctors were Klein and Hoefflin. MJ asked Rowe to be present to make sure everything was ok. "Michael had a very low pain tolerance," she said. "His fear of pain was incredible," Rowe said, crying. "And I think the doctors took advantage of him in that way” . Rowe: If someone comes to you and say they're the best at what they do and someone else that you see claims the same, who do you listen to? (ABC7)

                    Rowe described various treatments that Jackson got over the years, including botox and collagen injections for acne scars. She started to break down when she began to describe how Jackson viewed doctors. “Michael respected doctors immensely,” she said. “Unfortunately, some of the doctors decided,” Rowe said, pausing to wipe away tears, “that when Michael was in pain that they would try to outbid each other on who could get the better drug. And so he listened to the doctors.” (AP)

                    Doctors "would try to outbid" each other on who could give Michael Jackson "the better drug" for his pain, Rowe testified. "Michael had a very low pain tolerance and his fear of pain was incredible," Rowe testified. "And I think that doctors took advantage of him that way." (CNN)

                    Michael Jackson's doctors: Hoefflin -- plastic surgeon Metzger -- internist Klein – dermatologist

                    Rowe said Dr Sasaki prescribed Percodan and Vicodin to MJ after the scalp surgery. Sasaki's procedure on MJ was extremely painful, Rowe said. Rowe went to see MJ twice a day and over the weekend when he had the surgery. Rowe said docs Klein and Hoefflin were competing. "I was concerned that he was not getting better, the two doctors were going back and forth and I needed one doctor to talk to me. And I chose Dr. Metzger." Rowe said. She said she called Metzger as a friend, since it was probably not appropriate to call another doctor to rat out the doctor you worked for . "Klein was not doing what was the best for Michael," Rowe testified. "The only physician who ever did anything, who cared for Michael was Dr. Metzger," Rowe said, crying again. Putnam asked if there was any other doctor who treated until he passed. "Dr. Murray got in there and killed him, so I don't know," she said. (ABC7) "The only physician who ever cared for Michael as Michael was Allen Metzger," Rowe testified, referring to the doctor who became his primary care physician for several years. "So Metzger continued as his doctor?" AEG Live lawyer Marvin Putnam asked. "I don't know, because Conrad Murray got in there and killed him," Rowe replied (CNN)

                    Rowe said she was caught in the middle of Dr. Arnold Klein and Dr. Steven Hoefflin’s conflicting treatments of Jackson. She reached out to Jackson’s general doctor, Allan Metzger. “I needed one person to talk to me and I chose Metzger,” she said. (AP) Rowe said the pop star trusted doctors to prescribe pain medication to him, but they sometimes tried to outdo each other while losing sight of Jackson's care. "Michael had a very low pain tolerance and his fear of pain was incredible," Rowe said. "I think the doctors took advantage of him that way." She said she was with Jackson when he received treatments from his longtime dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein and from another physician, Dr. Steven Hoefflin. The two doctors would try to out-do each other in the pain medications they gave the singer, she said. "These idiots were going back and forth the whole time, not caring about him," Rowe told jurors. Rowe said she told another one of Jackson's doctors, Allan Metzger, that she was concerned that Klein and Hoefflin were giving the singer too many medications. "The only physician who ever did anything, the only physician who cared for Michael was Allan Metzger," Rowe said, fighting back tears. She said Jackson respected doctors immensely because they went to school and vowed to do no harm to patients. (AP)

                    Debbie Rowe testified Wednesday that doctors seemed in competition to see who could give him the most powerful painkillers. “Michael had a very low pain tolerance, and his fear of pain was incredible, and I think the doctors took advantage of him that way,” said Rowe, the mother of the singer's two oldest children. Rowe spoke in a folksy, informal manner on the stand, coming across as someone who truly cared about the singer. Rowe said that dermatologist Arnold Klein took over Jackson's pain management but that plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin would call the singer and say, "I have a better drug." At one point, she said, she found a bottle of the powerful drug dilaudid on Jackson's counter that Hoefflin had prescribed. She said she told Jackson not to take it. “These idiots were going back and forth the whole time not caring about him," she testified. Rowe, who worked for Klein, said she was concerned that Jackson was not getting better.“Klein was not doing what was best for Michael," she said. "The only physician who who ever cared for Michael was Allan Metzger,” his internist, who was treating Jackson for lupus.She said Jackson began receiving pain medication after his scalp was burned during the filming of a Pepsi commercial. (LATimes)

                    Rowe said that after the burn, his scalp had scars and, because he was black, he developed keloid, thickening, painful scars. He didn't want to wear the hairpiece, Rowe said. They were going in and having ballon expansion surgery every week. "His sensitivity to pain was off the charts at this time," Rowe explained. (ABC7)

                    Putnam: What was your concern with Dr. Hoefflin? Rowe: Overprescribing medications. "You don't call someone and say here, let's take dilaudid instead of aspirin when you're trying to get off," she said. "These idiots were going back and forth all the time and not caring about him," Rowe said. Dilaudid is a form of morphine, she said. Putnam asked if MJ took the stronger painkiller. "No, because I took it away," Rowe said. "Hoefflin gave it to him and I said no, you're not taking it. So I threw it away." (ABC7)

                    "He was so afraid of pain because the pain was so great," Rowe recalled. Rowe said she ended up with Michael all the time, until the procedure was over. "I think he had to rehearse for the tour." Dr. Metzger laid out plan to reduce Demerol and substitute medication for non-narcotic. Rowe: To wean him off narcotic to non-narcotic, because he was leaving to go on tour. "I was the one giving the medication to Michael at the time," Rowe said. Rowe: He (MJ) had a place in Century City, I worked in BH, I would be there every day to take lunch, stopped before going home. She would come back if MJ needed. That lasted 6 weeks, until MJ went on tour, she said. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said she didn't know anything about Propofol back then. She now knows Diprivan is the same as Propofol. MJ was getting Diprivan for procedures. Rowe said she doesn't know if it was at Dr. Hoefflin or Klein's office, maybe for collagen injection . Rowe said Klein had a handful of patients who got Demerol for collagen injections. Hoefflin had an anesthesiologist and surgical suite in his office. Over the years, Rowe said Hoefflin gave Diprivan to MJ probably 10 times (ABC7)

                    Rowe: However, there were occasions that MJ wanted to have it, he had extensive scarring on his nose that made it difficult to breathe. Rowe said there were occasions Michael asked Hoefflin to do inject steroids on his nose, and Dr. Hoefflin would put MJ out. "He didn't treat him, he would tape him as he had injected him," Rowe testified. "It took him a little while to wake up, 4-5 hours, which I think it's normal for plastic surgeon." Rowe said when anesthetist David Fournier woke MJ up, it was maybe 1 hour for Michael to recover. With Hoefflin, she was there for 4-6 hours. Rowe explained Dr. Hoefflin said he didn't see the scaring in MJ's nose, so he wasn't going to do the procedure. Putnam: But he told Michael he had done the procedure? Rowe: Yes. Putnam asked when Propofol was used in MJ. "Only with the injections for scaring around the nose," Rowe responded. Putnam: Otherwise he would not have Propofol? Rowe: Diprivan. All the time I went to see Dr. Hoefflin he put him under. Rowe: Fournier is a nurse anesthetist, would come to the office with all the equipment to monitor Michael. Rowe: He was allowed to do it until 1996, when law changed and it had to be done at surgery center. Rowe said she doesn't remember who the person giving Diprivan was in Dr. Hoefflin's office. She described Fournier as a very nice man. Rowe said MJ got Diprivan (Propofol) when Dr. Klein injected collagen, if we had to do acne treatments. She said Dr. Klein has 5-6 patients who take Diprivan for collagen injection and Botox. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said she was with Jackson about 10 times when Hoefflin gave him the anesthetic propofol when he was undergoing various procedures, such as collagen and botox injections. She said Klein also gave him propofol. She said Klein had five or six other patients whom he knocked out when they were undergoing cosmetic procedures. She said there were times when extensive scarring in Jackson's nose made it difficult for him to breathe and that he needed a painful injection of steroids in his nose to bring down the swelling. On at least two occasions, Hoefflin put Jackson out with propofol and didn't do anything other than put tape in his nose, Rowe testified.However, she said she was not aware of Jackson ever going to Hoefflin's office because he was feeling stress or needed sleep. (LATimes)

                    Rowe said that Hoefflin told her that there were times he gave Jackson anesthesia, but performed no medical procedures. Rowe said the need to manage Jackson’s pain medications became necessary after he had scalp surgery in 1993. The amount of time that Jackson was put under for procedures varied between Hoefflin and Klein’s offices, Rowe said. When Klein performed a procedure, Jackson was often awake within an hour. At Hoefflin’s, he might be in recovery for 6+ hours, she said. Rowe said she wasn’t sure precisely which anesthetic drugs were being used at Hoefflin’s office, but some propofol was involved.(AP)

                    The "Thriller" singer later developed painful "thickening" keloid scars and decided to try a scalp-expansion procedure meant to stretch his healthy skin for a graft before his 1993 Dangerous tour. She said Michael was going in for weekly injections into a balloon placed under his skin and found the pressure "extremely painful." "His sensitivity to pain was just off the charts at this point," she said, explaining that she had grown close to the entertainer through her job at the office of his Beverly Hills dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein. Rowe said Dr. Klein and Jackson's plastic surgeon Dr. Steven Hoefflin were "competing" for favor at this time, and she claimed she was at Jackson's Century City residence on one occasion when she had to confiscate a prescription of Dilaudid, a powerful narcotic. "Hoefflin gave it to him, and while it was sitting on the counter I said, 'You're not taking this,'" she testified. "He was so afraid of the pain because the pain was so great. …I ended up being with him all the time until this procedure was over." She said Dr. Klein also used the surgery-strength anesthetic propofol to put Jackson under for collagen injections used to treat his acne scars. Rowe said she also witnessed propofol infusions given in Dr. Hoefflin's office. She claimed that on two occasions, Dr. Hoefflin had Jackson knocked out with propofol but didn't perform the procedures that Jackson requested.She said Jackson believed he was receiving steroid shots to reduce swollen scar tissue in his nose, but that Dr. Hoefflin claimed he didn't see any inflamed tissue. (NYDailyNews) One revelation from Rowe was that a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon faked doing a procedure on Jackson on two occasions, although he told the singer he had done it. Jackson complained about painful scars in his nose and went to Dr. Steven Hoefflin to inject them with collagen, she said. "He put Michael out and didn't do anything but put tape on him as if he had treated him," Rowe testified. The doctor told her he did that because he could not find the scars Jackson thought were there. (CNN) Rowe explained that Dr. Steven Hoefflin would give Jackson Propofol when the celeb would have his burn scars injected, and would only take the drug when having a procedure done."Michael had extension scarring in his nose that made it difficult to breath," Rowe said. "To inject the nose—I can't think of anything more painful." However, Rowe added that there were times she knew about when one doctor would just give Jackson Propofol and put him under for four or five hours without giving him treatment. She told the court that the doctor would tell Jackson that he had done a procedure when in fact he hadn't.

                    After lunch, Rowe is back on the stand. Putnam: How are you doing, Ms. Rowe? Rowe: I missed you... Everybody laughed. (ABC7)

                    Putnam asked if MJ talked about going to doctors office to sleep. "He talked with Dr. Metzger about that," Rowe said. She testified that after Hoefflin put him out, it took him 4-5 hours to wake up. Whereas in Klein's office, in one hour he was fine. "He did have trouble sleeping," Rowe said. Putnam: Did he tell you he sometimes went to a doctor to be put under to sleep? Rowe: It was he got sleep after he had the procedure done. Putnam: So he didn't get put under to get sleep? Rowe: No, I misunderstood what you asked (during her deposition). Putnam played video deposition of Rowe. (ABC7)

                    Putnam: And did you have an understanding MJ would seek help to sleep at doctor's office? Rowe: Not until we became friends Putnam: Did he ever discuss it with you? Rowe: Only when I was there . Putnam: Did he get sleep at doctor's office? Rowe: Sometimes Putnam: Do those include the 3 times he was out of the country? Rowe: Yes. Putnam: Why did you insist on that? Rowe: I wanted to make sure he woke up (crying) Putnam: You were insisted to be there? Rowe: Yes. Rowe: He was put down, procedure didn't take 1 hour, but for some reason the anesthesiologist put him under, he slept longer than Fournier. Rowe clarified that MJ wasn't put to sleep, he didn't have the IV running, he was in the recovery room sleeping. Rowe: For whatever reason, he was in the recovery room for 5-6 hours as opposed to an hour in our office. "I don't know what the difference in how they sedated Michael," Rowe said. Putnam: Did it concern you? "You make it sound like he was going in all the time, but he wasn't," Rowe said crying. "You're talking about a 12 year period." (ABC7)

                    Rowe said the scalp surgery was different from the time he was having scar tissue on his nose and couldn't breathe. She said MJ would go in sometimes every 6 months, some times sooner than that to see Dr. Hoefflin. Putnam: How often was he seeing Dr. Klein? Rowe: In the early 90s, not that often. Rowe: We tried not using an anesthesiologist, and that's when Klein suggested to use Demerol. Rowe: After his scalp surgery, it's when the issue with his pain became more of a problem. His fear of pain became a bigger issue. "He didn't have that before, the Demerol he got was enough," Rowe explained. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said MJ didn't come in for collagen unless he had to do a performance or appearance somewhere. (ABC7)

                    Putnam: Did you believe when he told you he was in pain? Rowe: Klein was injecting him in the lower eyelid, yeah, I believed him. Rowe said in the beginning when they did the collagen they were doing it on the nasal-labial fold. But the pain was closer to the nose area because of the scaring, it was turning black and blue. Rowe: When he'd lose weight, this would come up. He would lose weight because he was rehearsing. He lost 8-9 lbs of water every show he did. Rowe: It's when you get to the eyes and around the eyes, it does hurt. We didn't start doing the center of the face until later. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said in "Dangerous" tour (92-93) there was collagen for nasal-labial fold, acne treatment and management of lupus. Rowe said she was assigned to MJ. "He was my patient," she said. She was the assistant Michael would have. Rowe said MJ was getting Diprivan with Dr. Hoefflin because it was for surgical procedure. Rowe said after the procedure with Dr. Sasaki in 93, she was concerned with MJ's use of prescription drugs. "I don't remember if it was worse and worse (the pain), or it was just not getting better," Rowe said. (ABC7)

                    Rowe: MJ had seen Hoefflin, Hoefflin had given him dilaudid and MJ called Klein. Klein didn't understand anything he was saying on phone. "I left the office and stayed with him at the Sheraton," Rowe said. She believes dilauded is a morphine. Putnam: Was this around the time of the first allegations against MJ? Rowe: No. Rowe: He was heavily under the influence of whatever Hoefflin had given him. The bottle on the dresser when I walked in and I took the pills. Putnam: You took them? Rowe: I put them in my purse P: Did you tell him you were taking it? R: Yes. Putnam: What did you say? Rowe: I'm taking this, you're f***ed up, I'm sorry. Putnam: What did he answered? Rowe: He said yeah, and then I asked if he was ok. Then I unplugged all the phones in the hotel room. Rowe: He liked to talk on the phone, you couldn't understand him, I didn't want him to embarrass himself. I was there all night. Rowe said she doesn't know why MJ was at the Sheraton, she thinks he never told her. (ABC7) She also told the jury about an incident in which Hoefflin apparently gave Jackson the painkiller Dilaudid and she had to take it away. Jackson had called Klein after taking the medication and was unintelligible. Klein sent Rowe to take care of MJ at a hotel in Universal City “He was heavily under the influence of whatever Hoefflin had given him,” Rowe said. She said she confiscated a bottle of Dilaudid. Rowe dropped the F-bomb to describe what she told Jackson after taking the pill bottle. “I said I’m taking these, you’re (effed) up,” Rowe said. She apologized for the bad language. Rowe said she unplugged all the phones in the room, since MJ liked to talk on the phone and she didn’t want him to call anyone else. She stayed the rest of the night in the hotel suite to make sure Jackson was OK. She would also live with him after the scalp surgery. (AP)


                    Rowe said there was Dr. Sasaki in 93, Sheraton going on, MJ was getting ready for a tour, a leg of a tour, I don't know which. Rowe: We couldn't get grip of pain, Sasaki had stepped away, Hoefflin and Klein were having a pissing contest over who gave him better drugs. "Not a contest, a pissing match," Rowe said. Rowe said MJ was fine the next morning, he didn't need anything. "I didn't leave dilaudid with him and didn't leave the medication that Klein sent him," Rowe explained. Rowe said she took meds from Klein's office and she knows Hoefflin's drugs came from his office also, there was no prescription. (ABC7)

                    Putnam: Was Dr. Klein giving MJ Demerol? Rowe: If he was seeing Klein for acne treatment, yes. Rowe said it started with 50 mg of Demerol, Klein bumped up to 100 mg then 100 mg with 50 mg of disteril. She said the disteril was to give less demerol. Disteril is like benadryl, she explained. Rowe: There were times I'd take the Demerol out and give more Disteril. Because I didn't think he needed that much. Putnam: Did you ever tell Klein you changed the doses? Rowe: No. He was my boss, he was the doctor, he didn't need to know I called Metzger. "We couldn't get a grip on the pain, when tissue expands gets bigger and bigger gets more pain," Rowe said. (ABC7)

                    Putnam asked about the Fentanyl patch. Rowe said she doesn't know the details of the patch, but knows about the patch. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said the closer it got for MJ to go on tour, the more often it became (visits to Klein). He'd have to fly Klein and became expensive. Putnam: What were you concerned about? Rowe: It was the Demerol and him going on tour. Rowe: Michael was getting ready to go on tour, he wasn't completely off Demerol, but he was right there. "It was a fight to get him there because he had such fear the pain that would happen if we didn't catch it," Rowe recalled. "He was going so well, I didn't want anything to screw up," Rowe testified. Putnam asked what happened when she arrived at MJ's house and everything is gone. Rowe said she was told MJ's gone on tour. Rowe said she was told 'well they took him, there's nothing we could do.' Rowe: I didn't know he was leaving. I called Dr. Metzger and told how concerned I was. Rowe: I got a call back, said I needed to take all the meds I had to wean him off Demerol and take to this doctor at the Peninsula Hotel. Rowe said Metzger had given specific notes on how to give MJ the meds. "I met this doctor at the Peninsula," she said. "I offered to go over everything with him, he just grabbed the bag, said I know what I'm doing, and left," Rowe recalled crying. Rowe called Metzger and said she was concerned about what had happened. "I found out Forecast had gone 2 Bangkok, 1st thing he did he gave MJ 100mg of demerol, screwed everything up we had done" Rowe said, crying. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said she got concerned with Jackson’s Demerol usage after the surgery, and worked with Metzger to wean him off of it. Rowe said she lowered his doses without letting Klein know and worked with Metzger to institute a plan to get MJ off Demerol. She said it was working until Jackson abruptly left to go on another leg of the “Dangerous” tour. Rowe returned to Jackson’s condo one day and all his stuff with gone. His assistant said Jackson had left to go on tour. She said Metzger then told her to deliver Jackson’s medications and his treatment plan to a Dr. Forecast, who was going on the tour with MJ. Rowe said Forecast didn’t listen to her while she tried to describe the treatment plan. She said she later learned that “the first thing” Forecast did was give Jackson Demerol on the tour. That led to more problems. (AP) Rowe described efforts to wean Jackson off the painkiller Demerol after he had surgery in 1993 to repair damage to his scalp, which was burned while filming a Pepsi commercial. She said Metzger devised a plan to treat Jackson's pain with different medications before he went on a leg of his "Dangerous" tour. Rowe lived with Jackson for three weeks to ensure he stayed on the regimen. "At that point we were friends," Rowe said. "He wasn't a patient." She said Jackson knew he couldn't take pain medications forever but needed a strong voice to get him off the drugs. "I'm probably one of the only people who said no to him," Rowe said. Rowe said the plan to break Jackson's use of Demerol failed when a doctor who accompanied the singer on tour gave him the drug while overseas. (AP)

                    (Rowe then points to Jessica Bina, attorney for AEG, and says "She's mad because... what????" Judge said attorneys need to talk sometimes. (ABC7))

                    Putnam: Were you trying to get him off the drugs? Rowe: At the very end of this time period yes P: Why? R: Because he was going on tour. "He knew you don't stay on, you can't do narcotics forever. He knew that," Rowe recalled. Rowe said Metzger designed a plan to wean him off the drugs. She said she stayed in Century City with MJ most nights. "He was my friend," Rowe said. They were friends, he was not a patient, she said. Putnam: Did you stay to help him with surgery or get off the drugs? Rowe: Both. "He was worried about the pain," she said. "I was probably one of the only people who said no to him." Rowe: He respected the doctors and did what they were told to do by the doctors. I was concerned about what Klein and Hoefflin were doing. Metzger said he was going to talk to Klein and Hoefflin. She heard Metzger on the phone w/ Klein, said they then became using disteril. (ABC7)

                    Putnam: Do you think Michael was proud of what he had done? Rowe: Michael was a prideful person. Rowe said she told MJ in Mexico City that he had a problem with drugs. During the 3 week period in Century City, she didn't say it was a problem. "I said you're taking too much, you can't take this forever." Putnam: Do you know the amount of Demerol he was taking? Rowe: Dr. Metzger probably did because of the plan he had put together. Putnam: Was it a difficult 3 weeks? Rowe: It was for Michael. The fear of the pain, he was very restless. (ABC7)

                    Putnam: And when you went to his apartment everything was gone? Rowe: I didn't know he was leaving. That's why I was so upset that Dr. Forecast was not listening," Rowe explained. "Forecast hadn't been in on anything over last few months" "He was taking everything and being an arrogant a** about it," Rowe recalled. Rowe said she was at the Peninsula Hotel for not even 5 minutes. She met Dr. Forecast on the lobby. She said she believes there was some Demerol, Toradol, notes, everything that had been done, Metzger's number, Klein's number. Rowe said Dr. Metzger told her to bring all these to Dr. Forecast. She was told Dr. Forecast was going on tour with MJ.(ABC7)

                    Dr. Klein treated MJ while on tour. Rowe went with him. She remembered going on the Dangerous and HIStory tours and end of Bad tour. "Bad tour was just acne treatment," Rowe said. Dangerous tour was acne, collagen and vitiligo; HIStory acne, vitiligo, lupus, collagen. Putnam: How about Botox? Rowe: I don't think Botox was approved before I left. Putnam: How do you travel with collagen? Rowe: It's almost like you ship the seed of love from a horse in a thermos. Everyone laughed. Rowe: I'd give Demerol and Disteril and Dr. Klein would treat him. (ABC7)

                    Putnam: Was there a time on tour you were concerned with MJ misusing Demerol? Rowe: Mexico City. Rowe said MJ was supposed to go to Puerto Rico after Mexico City, but never made it. "He was a hot mess," Rowe said when she saw him in Mexico City. "He was depressed, he had taken something, I don't know what he had taken or he had gotten it from," Rowe recalled. "He was on something, that he was taking something. I thought he was back on Demerol," Rowe said. Rowe: I walked into the room, his suites were never a mess. The suite was a mess. He wasn't kept, he was always kept. Rowe: He wasn't making eye contact, he wasn't speaking, he didn't make sense when he did and he said was having problem with his scalp again. "We got in a fight," Rowe said. "I'm hot headed, I went off on him about Forecast." Rowe: I was angry that Forecast had intercepted Metzger, that Forecast had undermined everything that was done. "I thought Forecast was hurting him not helping," Rowe explained. "He was arrogant." It had only been 6 weeks since Rowe had seen Michael. "Then I went to Mexico City and he was a completely different person," she said. "You go to Puerto Rico is like going to US," Rowe told MJ. "You need to straighten up, face whatever is going on and we will get through it". This fight went on for 2-3 days, Rowe said. "You have to go somewhere to get better or it's not gonna work," Rowe told MJ. He went to some place in England, rehab. Putnam: Did he admit he had a problem? Rowe: He knew that he screwed up. He knew he was messed up. "Michael and I had a few fights and when we had them it was lulus," Rowe described. She said she flew off the handle, asked why he flew off the handle, why got angry. "I'm not about to lose my friend over this," Rowe claimed "I can't make everything better as much as I want to, so you have to do it," Rowe testified she told MJ. She cried on the stand again. "I said it will pass, you haven't done anything wrong, you just need to be strong," Rowe said. Rowe: He felt that he had disappointed me. I told him he hadn't disappointed me, I blamed it on Forecast. "Forecast was yet another doctor who didn't put him first as a patient, as a human being," Rowe expressed. Putnam: Did you confront Dr. Forecast? Rowe: They would not let me see him, the management people. "He foolish trusted a lot of people," Rowe said. "He knew I was going to go and chew his a** out." Rowe: I asked security to talk to the doctor, they said I needed to get it cleared, and was told no. (ABC7)

                    Rowe said she saw Jackson in Mexico City when he went there for the “Dangerous” tour. He was messy and wouldn't make eye contact. She said she tried to confront Dr. Forecast, but she wasn't allowed to see him. She didn't remember who blocked that effort. “You can’t go looking and acting like this,” Rowe said she told Jackson. She said she told him he couldn't continue on the tour. Rowe: “You need to straighten up, you need to face whatever it is that’s going on.” Jackson agreed with her and went to rehab. Rowe said she blamed Forecast for the issues. She said Jackson often couldn't see who was hurting him. “He foolishly, foolishly, trusted a lot of people,” Rowe said of Jackson. Katherine nodded her head in agreement. After rehab, Rowe said Jackson was much improved (AP)

                    As far as she knows MJ completed the rehab program. Putnam: Did you see after rehab? Rowe: Yes P: How did he look? R: He looked great. P: Did you talk to him about it? R: No, it didn't interest me at the time. He said he was feeling better and was ok, Rowe testified. Putnam: After that, was there ever a time you were concerned with his use of Demerol? Rowe: Not like that, no. Rowe: No, because he was fine, he was clean. At that time he was really, really busy recording HIStory album. Rowe said MJ needed a driver because he was always on the phone. She would drive him from Klein's office to the studio. There were occasions MJ would receive Demerol, she said. After the surgery the area that was done fell apart and started with the pain again. Putnam: Did he continue to receive Demerol until the time you left Klein? Rowe: He did. "He wasn't in the office an inordinate amount of time," Rowe testified. She said she saw him on set of "Ghost" and he looked great. (ABC7)

                    Putnam asked about MJ using Propofol for sleep. It happened only in Germany, and it was 2 days, she responded. Rowe said Prince was a baby, it was 1996, 97 during HIStory tour. "There were 2 anesthesiologists and equipment, looked like surgical suite" Putnam: So in Germany during HIStory tour, MJ was taking propofol/diprivan to sleep? Rowe: Only those two occasions. "I believe it was set up through Dr. Metzger," she said. Putnam: And no procedure was being done, just to sleep? Rowe: Yes. Putnam: Two nights in a row? Rowe: You guys haven't seen a concert of his. "There's no way he could ever do concert 2 nights in a row," Rowe testified. "His shows were so physical, usually had 1-2 nights in between" Rowe explained the German tour: Day 1 night before show -- Propofol Day 2 show Day 3 nothing Day 4 Propofol Day 5 show. Rowe said Propofol was not done in Paris and London. In Germany, MJ was in a hotel room, doctors came in and set it up. "I didn't know we were going to have a second time." She said she didn't know there was going to be a first time either. Rowe said MJ had called Metzger and said he didn't sleep. "I called Metzger to find out what we could do," Rowe described. "They had set everything up and Metzger said the doctors were coming." Rowe said she voiced her concerns to MJ and Metzger. She said it was a little drastic to do something like that and they were in another country, she didn't know the name of the medications. Rowe said Dr. Metzger talked to Michael and it wasn't Dr. Metzger's first choice. Putnam: Why diprivan not sedative, sleeping pills? Rowe: I think he tried and it didn't work. And if he couldn't sleep, he couldn't perform. "He said he was at the end of his rope and didn't know whatelse to do," Rowe recalled. P: Did he indicate he had done it before? R: No. Putnam: Did he indicate he was worried about this? Rowe: He didn't seem to be. We sat with the doctors and went over all the risks/concerns. "They said it was the same stuff we had used in the States," Rowe explained. She's familiar with Fentanyl, Diprivan, but not Propofol, never used that word. "They warned him that any anesthesia is dangerous" Rowe said. Putnam: Did you tell him you were afraid he might die? Rowe: No, I said what happens if you die. "He had so many procedures done with Hoefflin I don't think he was worried about it," Rowe said. Putnam: Did he seem worried at all? Rowe: No, he just seemed worried about not sleeping. Rowe said the doctors did a physical on MJ prior. "I was very impressed, I was very comfortable with Michael being under their care." "It was a hard 8 hours period," Rowe said about Diprivan/Propofol. "It was 8 hours and that was it." (ABC7)

                    Two German doctors treated Michael Jackson's insomnia with propofol 12 years before he died from an overdose of the surgical anesthetic, his former wife testified Wednesday. Dr. Allen Metzger -- Jackson's general practitioner in the United States -- arranged for the German anesthesiologists to infuse the singer with propofol in a Munich hotel in July 1997 after sedatives failed to help him sleep between concerts, Rowe testified. "I think they tried it and it hadn't worked and if he couldn't sleep, he couldn't perform," she testified. Jackson "was at the end of his rope; he didn't know what else to do." He "felt better" after eight hours of propofol-induced sleep and decided to get a second treatment after his second Munich show, she said. (CNN) Rowe said Metzger arranged for two doctors to give Jackson the anesthetic propofol in Germany in 1997 when he complained that he couldn't sleep during his "HIStory" tour. On two occasions, the doctors brought medical equipment to Jackson's hotel suite and monitored the singer while he was under the effect of the anesthetic for eight hours. The doctors warned Jackson about the dangers of using propofol, but Rowe said he disregarded the information. "He was just more worried about not sleeping," she said. Rowe said she would not allow the singer to get similar propofol treatments for sleep issues after the use in Germany. (AP)

                    Rowe said next day MJ warmed up with his voice coach on the phone and went to the venue, rested voice during the day, did meet and greet. "I asked next day how he was feeling. He said he felt better," Rowe remembered. Putnam: Did you remain concerned he had done this? Rowe: No, it was the one time Putnam: But then he did it again one day later? Rowe: Yes. Rowe: He said he hadn't slept after the concert, I called Dr. Metzger, I believed it was decided this is something you can't do all the time. Rowe: Dr. Stoll and his assistant did it. They did a physical, it was almost exactly the same as the first time. "They were a little more emphatically you can't do this, we are not doing this again," Rowe said. (ABC7)

                    Rowe recalled this was the end of the tour."I think we were going to address the issue after." "He always had a sleep disorder, but I don't remember why it had kicked in high gear like it had," Rowe said. Rowe said they were going to a sleep facility, she wasn't with him, she believes Dr. Metzger went along. Rowe said that before, MJ had gotten the procedures done and had gotten sleep. "Even with the doctors in Germany, he woke up," she said. "He was not sound asleep like when he saw Dr. Hoefflin." Rowe: In Germany, he was awaken within 1 hour after the drip had stopped. W/ Hoefflin, he was in the recovery room, with oxygen, for 5-6 hrs. "He'd come to Klein's office and sleep," Rowe said. Putnam: With Diprivan? Rowe: No just sleep. Rowe: He slept when he had the procedures at Hoefflin and he slept after Hoefflin had done the procedure. Rowe: But that was the only place that had happened that I had seen Michael have anesthesia, that was only place it happened, at Hoefflin's (ABC7)

                    Putnam: After second time in hotel room, were you concerned he was going to do it again? Rowe: That wasn't going to happened again. It just wasn't going to happen again. "You don't give someone Diprivan to sleep. It's not appropriate, it's not a labeled use," Rowe expressed. "He never did it when I was around. It would not have happened," Rowe said about MJ using Diprivan/Propofol again to sleep. Putnam: Did security, nanny see him being put under? Rowe: No, I'm not going to let anyone in when he's sleeping. That's rude. She said her and Grace had been in the room while MJ slept. Rowe took notes of the procedure and gave Dr. Metzger to include in his chart. "I'd go to Europe every other week to see Prince," Rowe said. "We were making Paris." (ABC7)

                    Rowe: After Michael and I decided to separate, Michael got "custody" of the doctors. It was more important for me that he had Metzger. Rowe: Because Metzger cared about Michael as a human being, wanted the best for him, talked to him for hours. Rowe: Michael could be strong for about 10 minutes, then reasonable and he respected Dr. Metzger very much. (ABC7)

                    Rowe: We were married. When I was no longer working with Dr. Klein, I felt like I had a completely different role in his life. "I couldn't go in to Dr Klein's office and look at his chart, it's illegal. I felt if he wanted me there he'd talk to me about it" Rowe said. "He needed somebody to be there for him, to not take him, to not look at him as a cash cow," Rowe expressed. (ABC7)

                    Rowe: I wasn't sure how Michael would be when he woke up. We'd stay in different areas of the hotel because fans would keep the baby awake. Rowe said that he told Grace if MJ didn't look ok to not let him alone with the baby.(ABC7)

                    "Klein at one time was a brilliant physician, and it was very sad what happened to him," Rowe testified. Rowe said they would get together at Klein's office and talk. "Everybody agreed that it was a little too much to have Diprivan to sleep." (ABC7)

                    Paris was 4 the last time Rowe saw Michael. That would've been in 2003. (ABC7) Putnam asked Rowe about the last time she saw Michael Jackson. She said it was in around 2003, when Paris was 4 years old. (AP)

                    Putnam: When it came out he died of overdose of Propofol, how did you react? Rowe: I actually called Dr Klein and said 'what did you give him, you killed him' "I thought he was responsible in some way" Rowe testified. Rowe: I didn't know what Propofol was. I still didn't know. I think it was at a deposition I was told it was the same thing (as diprivan). Putnam: Other than Germany, was there any other time MJ used Diprivan to sleep? Rowe: Not that I was aware of, no. (ABC7)


                    Jackson cross


                    Deborah Chang, attorneys for the Jacksons, did cross examination at 3:55 pm PT. (ABC7)

                    Chang asked how Rowe was. "I have a headache to die for, I'm tired," Rowe said. (ABC7)

                    At the day of the deposition, plaintiffs didn't show up. Rowe said AEG attorneys told her they didn't want to come. Rowe hung up on Mrs. Jackson's assistant when asked to talk to KJ's attorney because she said she didn't want to testify on anyone's behalf. She's here now because of defendant's subpoena, would not come to testify voluntarily. (ABC7) Rowe said she hung up on Mrs. Jackson’s assistant and only came to court because she received a subpoena. (AP)

                    Rowe is not the legal guardian of either Prince and Paris Jackson. Mrs. Jackson and TJ Jackson are, she said. Chang asked if prior to this year is it true she spent little time with Prince and Paris. Rowe said that was true. Rowe said she reestablished seeing daughter Paris this year. She never spoke to the kids about this lawsuit. (ABC7) Chang asked about Rowe re-establishing contact with Paris this year. Rowe said she had, but she never discussed the case with her. (AP)

                    Chang: Do you agree you were close friends for 20 years? Rowe: Yes, longer. "It was not like we ever hated each other," Rowe said about MJ. Chang: But communication got complicated because of divorce lawyers? Rowe: There were divorce lawyers/personal assistants that were annoying (ABC7)

                    Rowe said at Klein's office they did studies of collagen and Botox. She knew Dr. Klein well. Chang: Despite what you think of him now, was Dr. Klein considered a respected dermatologist? Rowe: He was, he was brilliant. (ABC7)

                    First time MJ went to Dr. Klein he was still in his 20s, and acne caused embarrassment, Rowe said. MJ had discoid lupus, which is a disease in the skin, Rowe said. Discoid lupus is not systemic lupus, which is all over the body. "His scarring was from the burn in the Pepsi commercial," Rowe said. MJ also had vitiligo, which causes discoloration of the skin. Chang wants to show a picture of a black male's hand with vitiligo. Defendants objected, Chang asked for sidebar. (ABC7)


                    Zusammenfassung von Ivy, MJJC #72



                    __________________________________________

                    Zusammenfassungen der vorangegangenen gerichtstage:
                    Day 1 - 50
                    Day 51 - zeuge Dr. Emery Brown Video Deposition; zeuge Peter Formuzis
                    Day 52 - zeugin Katherine Jackson
                    Day 53 - forts. zeugin K. Jackson; AEG-zeuge John Meglen
                    Day 54 - forts. AEG-zeuge Meglen
                    Day 55 - zeugen J. Meglen; Dr. Alimorad Farshchian Video Deposition
                    Day 56 - zeuge David Fournier
                    Day 57 - zeugen Dr. Scott Saunders per video depo.; Eric Briggs
                    Day 58 - zeuge Eric Briggs
                    Day 59 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                    Day 60 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                    Day 61 - forts. zeuge Briggs; zeuge Michael LaPerruque
                    Day 62 - forts. zeuge Michael LaPerruque; zeuge Eric Briggs; Timm Wooley video deposition
                    Day 63 - zeugin Kathleen Ann Jorrie
                    Day 64 - forts. zeugin Kathy Jorrie
                    Day 65 - zeuge Kenny Ortega
                    Day 66 - zeugin Kathy Jorrie; Randy Jackson Video Depo.
                    Day 67 - zeuge William Ackerman
                    Day 68 - forts. W. Ackerman


                    Exklusiv transcripts eröffnungsstatements u.a. (MJJC #1 ff.)

                    Zeugenaussage von Prince Michael Jackson Jr.; exklusiv transcripts von MJJC # 7

                    Deposition transcripts filed with the court.
                    Note : these are not the full depositions, they are only the portions played in the court.

                    Dr. Stuart Finkelstein Deposition video transcript
                    Dr. Earley Deposition video transcript
                    Tim Leiweke Deposition video transcript
                    Randy Phillips Deposition video transcript
                    Quelle Ivy, MJJC #50

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                    • LA-Times

                      Jackson felt like Elephant Man, chose to 'depigment' skin
                      By Kate Mather and Jeff Gottlieb
                      August 15, 2013, 12:52 p.m.
                      Michael Jackson’s ex-wife Debbie Rowe returned to the witness stand Thursday, crying as she described the singer “begging for relief” from medical issues and treatments she said were “horribly painful.”

                      It was the second day of testimony for Rowe, who married Jackson in 1996, and is the mother of his two oldest children. They divorced a few years later. Rowe met the singer while she was working for Beverly Hills dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein.

                      Rowe said she was designated to help Jackson through the procedures, and the two formed a friendship. She would accompany him to other procedures with other doctors, she said, because “he knew that I would look out for him." Er wusste das ich nach ihm schaute."

                      Rowe offered perhaps the most detailed public recital of Jackson’s medical ailments, saying he suffered from vitiligo, discoid lupus and keloids from serious burns on his scalp sustained during the 1984 filming of a Pepsi commercial.

                      Rowe bot die vielleicht ausführlichsten öffentlichen Erwägungsgrründe der medizinischen Beschwerden Jackson an denen er litt wie Vitiligo, Lupus und Keloide von schweren Verbrennungen auf seiner Kopfhaut von den 1984er Dreharbeiten zu einem Pepsi-Werbespot.


                      The conditions, Rowe testified, would be difficult on their own for anyone. For Jackson, she said, it was worse.
                      Die Erkrankungen, sagte Rowe wäre jede alleine schwierig für jeden. Für Jackson, sagte sie, war es noch schlimmer.

                      “He’s very shy. For him to have all this going on and to be in public, it was really really difficult for him,” she said.
                      "Er war sehr schüchtern. Für ihn all das zu haben und in der Öffentlichkeit zu sein, es war wirklich schwer für ihn" sagt sie.

                      The singer was embarrassed of his skin conditions, she said, and compared himself to the Elephant Man.
                      Dem Sänger war seine Hautkrankheit peinlich, sagte sie, und er verglich sich mit dem Elephant Man.

                      Jackson’s vitiligo — where skin loses pigment in patches — “would come and go,” Rowe said, but grew progressively worse. He made a decision to “depigment” his skin because he couldn’t find decent makeup, she said.
                      Jacksons Vitiligo - wo die Haut Pigmente verliert - "würde kommen und gehen", sagte Rowe, wurde aber immer schlimmer. Er traf eine Entscheidung, "Depigmentation" seiner Haut, weil er kein anständiges Make-up finden konnte, sagte sie.

                      “Everybody says he bleached himself, which he didn’t,” she said.
                      "Jeder sagt er bleichte seine Haut, was er nicht tat" sagt sie.

                      The keloids, she said, were dense, bumpy scars that went from the middle of Jackson’s scalp back to the crown of his head. Klein and other doctors would inject cortisone into the tissue to soften the scars — a procedure Rowe said was “horribly painful.”
                      Die Keloide, sagte sie, waren dicht, holprige Narben, die von der Mitte von Jacksons Kopfhaut zurück an die Krone von seinem Kopf gingen. Klein und andere Ärzte würden Kortison in das Gewebe injizieren, um die Narben erweichen - ein Verfahren das "schrecklich schmerzhaft." war.

                      “You could hear the skin popping when the medication went in,” she said.
                      "Man könnte die Haut knallen hören wenn das Medikament eindrang", sagte sie.

                      Ultimately, she said, doctors looked to insert a “tissue expander” to expand what healthy skin was left on the singer’s head. A flap was filled with saline every seven to 10 days to stretch the skin, she said, again describing the treatment as “brutally painful.”
                      Letztlich, sagte sie schauten die Ärzte nach einem "Gewebe-Expander" um zu erweitern die gesunde Haut des Sängers, die am Kopf geblieben war. Eine Klappe mit Kochsalzlösung alle sieben bis 10 Tage gefüllt wurde, um die Haut dehnen, sagte sie, wieder beschreib sie die Behandlung als "brutal schmerzhaft."

                      Jackson was very fearful of pain, she said, noting he was afraid of needles and that she “always” held his hand. The pain would be so intense, she said, he would suffer “blind migraines,” get cold sweats and grow pale.
                      Jackson war sehr ängstlich vor Schmerz, sagte sie und bemerkte, er hatte Angst vor Nadeln und dass sie "immer" seine Hand hielt. Der Schmerz wäre so intensiv, sagte sie, er würde leiden an "blinder Migräne," kaltem Schweiß und erbleichen.

                      “He couldn’t do anything,” Rowe said.
                      "Er konnte nichts tun", sagte Rowe.

                      But, Rowe said, she never saw Jackson “doctor shop” in order to get more pain medications. He was very trusting of doctors and “very loyal” to his own, she said.

                      Aber Rowe sagte, sie nie sah Jackson nie "Arzt-Shopoing machen", um mehr Schmerzmittel zu bekommen. Er war sehr zutraulich zu Ärzten und "sehr loyal" zu seinem eigenen, sagte sie.


                      “He said, ‘They take the oath. Do no harm,’” Rowe testified.
                      "Er sagte:" Sie nehmen den Eid. Fügen keinen Schaden zu ",hat Rowe ausgesagt.

                      Rowe testified Wednesday that she believed some of his doctors “took advantage” of his low pain tolerance and fear of pain.

                      “The very rich, very poor and the very famous get the worst medical care,” she said Thursday. “The very rich can buy it, the very poor can’t get any and the very famous can dictate it.”
                      "Die sehr Reichen, die sehr Armen und die sehr Berühmten bekommen die schlechteste medizinische Versorgung", sagte sie am Donnerstag. "Die sehr Reichen können es kaufen, die sehr Armen bekommen sie nicht und die sehr berühmten können es diktieren."

                      When asked if she thought Jackson dictated his medical care to his own doctors, Rowe said, “When it came to pain, I wouldn’t say it was dictating. I would say it was more begging for relief.”
                      Gefragt ob sie glaubt das Jackson die medezin. Behandlung zu Ärzten diktierte sagt Rowe: "Wenn es zu den Schmerzen kan, würde ich nicht sagen diktieren. Ich würde sagen er fragte um Erleichterung"

                      “He respected doctors and wouldn’t question what they were doing,” she said.
                      "Er respektiert Ärzte und würde nicht fragen, was sie taten", sagte sie.

                      Rowe was called as a witness by AEG Live in the suit filed by Jackson's mother and three children. The Jacksons say that AEG negligently hired and supervised Conrad Murray, the cardiologist who administered the fatal dose of propofol to Jackson in June 2009 as he was rehearsing for a 50-concert comeback in London. AEG says that the singer hired Murray and that any money the company was supposed to pay the doctor was an advance to Jackson.

                      The jury seemed to hang on every word of Rowe's testimony, which included the singer's medical conditions, and the time they were watching "To Kill a Mockingbird" and called Gregory Peck with a question about the movie he had starred in.
                      Die Jury schien auf jedes Wort von Rowe bei der Aussage zu hängen, die die medizin. Behandlungen des Sänger beinhalteten , und die Zeit wo sie "To Kill a Mockingbird" sahen und rief er Gregory Peck mit einer Frage, die er über den Film hatte an.

                      She spoke of his concerts, which she described as “amazing,” and watching them from a seat on stage.
                      Sie sprach von seinen Konzerten, die sie als "erstaunlich" beschrieb, und die sie sie von einem Sitz auf der Bühne beobachtete.

                      “I would see him and I would think, is this Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson was my friend before he was anything else,” she said. “I saw him, and I would say, ‘Oh my God, I know him.’ … And I would think, 'I’m so flipping lucky.’”
                      "Ich würde ihn sehen und ich würde denken, dies ist Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson war mein Freund, bevor er etwas anderes war ", sagte sie. "Ich sah ihn, und ich würde sagen, 'Oh mein Gott, ich kenne ihn." ... Und ich würde denken: "Ich bin so glücklich"

                      When court broke mid-morning, Rowe hugged Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson, and both were crying.
                      Als das Gericht am Vormittag begann umarmte Rowe Michaels Mutter, Katherine Jackson und beide weinten.

                      “You taking care of her?" Rowe said to Jackson's nephew Trent, who has accompanied her to the trial.
                      “I don’t want to have to beat you up, Trent," she joked. "I can take you.”

                      "Sie kümmern sich um sie?" sagte Rowe zu Jacksons Neffe Trent, der sie begleitet hat zum Prozess.
                      "Ich will Sie nicht verprügeln, Trent, scherzte Sie. Ich kann Sie nehmen"

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                      • Einige Ergänzungen aus dem AP-Artikel:

                        Jackson's ex-wife says med visits concerned her

                        http://news.yahoo.com/jacksons-ex-wife-s…A1STk0AR4rQtDMD

                        Associated Press ANTHONY McCARTNEY 4 minutes ago

                        LOS ANGELES (AP) — Michael Jackson's ex-wife acknowledged Thursday that she was concerned that some of his frequent medical visits were motivated more by a desire for drugs than by the treatments he received.
                        Michaels Jacksons Ex-Frau gab am Donnerstag zu, dass sie besorgt war das einige der häufigen Besuche eher motiviert waren vom Wunsch Medikamente zu erhalten als nach Behandlungen.

                        Debbie Rowe testified during the trial of a lawsuit that she told Jackson about her concerns when he would go to his longtime dermatologist more than once a week in the 1980s and early 1990s.

                        Rowe worked in the office of the dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein.

                        "I didn't understand Why he would come in twice in one week," Rowe said, adding that she was concerned he might be in search of drugs rather than treatments for blemishes with collagen injections. "I didn't necessarily see what he wanted to have done."
                        "Ich verstand nur nicht warum er 2mal pro Woche kam" sagt Rowe, hinzufügend das sie besorgt war er würde nach Medikamente Ausschau halten, eher als nach Behandlungen mit Collagen.
                        Ich sah nicht was er gemacht haben wollte"


                        Rowe has offered a conflicting portrait of Jackson's medical treatments during her testimony, saying earlier that she never saw him engage in doctor shopping or request specific pain medications. She said many of the visits were legitimately tied to treatments for the skin-lightening condition vitiligo and scars he sustained after being burned during a Pepsi commercial shoot.
                        Rowe bot ein widersprüchliches Portrait von Jacksons medizin. Behandlungen in ihrer Aussage, vorher sagend das sie nie sah das er Doktor-Shopping machte oder spez. Behandlungen verlangte. Sie sagte viele Behandlungen waren angebunden an die Erkrankungen Vitiligo und Wunden von Verbrennungen nach einem Dreh zum Pepsi-Commercial.

                        Rowe, clutching a tissue and breaking down at times, described Jackson as suffering debilitating pain throughout the nearly 20 years that the pair were close friends. She said her husband trusted his doctors and depended on them to give him proper medications.

                        "When it came to the pain ... it was more begging for relief than anything," Rowe said. "He respected doctors so he wouldn't question what they were doing."
                        "Wenn es um Schmerzen ging bat er mehr um Erleichterung als alles andere" sagt Rowe. "Er respektierte die Ärzte und würde nicht in Frage stellen was sie tun"

                        Rowe is the mother of the singer's two oldest children, Prince and Paris Jackson. She and the pop star were married from 1996 to 1999.

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                        Debbie Rowe, Michael Jackson's former wife and mother of two of his children, leaves Los Angeles Cou …
                        She is testifying in a lawsuit filed by Jackson's mother against AEG Live LLC, the promoter of Jackson's ill-fated "This is it" comeback concerts.

                        Rowe hugged Katherine Jackson and held her hand during a break in testimony. Rowe was called to the witness stand by AEG Live attorneys but told the jury on Wednesday that she was not testifying for either side and wouldn't have come to court if she hadn't received a subpoena.

                        Jackson's scalp was badly burned when his hair caught on fire while filming a 1984 Pepsi commercial. The injuries left his scalp with painful scarring that required surgeries and injections of medications to try to lessen the pain and repair the damage.

                        Rowe said the injuries as well as the effects of vitiligo left Jackson feeling like he was disfigured. The singer was forced to wear wigs and de-pigment his skin and struggled to deal with the effects while in the public eye.

                        On another matter, Rowe said Jackson was devastated by his divorce from Lisa Marie Presley and because he didn't have any children. Rowe said she told him they should have a baby together.
                        Rowe sagt das Jackson verzweifelt war nach der Trennung von Lisa Marie Presley und weil er keine Kinder hat. Rowe sagte sie sagte ihm, dass sie ein Baby zusammen haben sollten.

                        By that time, she and Jackson had been friends for more than a decade, with Rowe holding the singer's hand as he received injections for numerous medical procedures and talking with him several times a week.
                        Zu dieser Zeit waren sie und Jackson Freunde für mehr als ein Jahrzehnt, Rowe, die dem Sänger die Hand hielt wenn er Injektionen für verschiedenen Behandlungen hatte und ihn mehrmals in der Woche sprach.

                        "I wanted him to be a father," she said. "I wanted him to have everything he didn't have growing up. I wanted him to experience it with his own child, with his own children."
                        "Ich wollte das er Vater ist" sagt sie. "Ich wollte das er alles hat was er nicht hatte als er aufwuchs. Ich wollte das er die Erfahrungen mit seinem eigenen Kind macht, mit seinen eigenen Kindern."

                        Rowe broke down when describing her recent relationship with her daughter Paris. She said she had been in daily touch with the teen until she had to be hospitalized on June 5, when paramedics were summoned to the Jackson family home in Calabasas. Paris, 15, took Motrin pills and cut her arm with a kitchen knife, according to emergency dispatchers.
                        Rowe brach zusammen als sie die Erfahrungen ihrer kürzlichen Beziehung mit Tochter Paris beschrieb. Sie sagt sie ist im täglichen Kontakt mit dem Teenager seitdem sie am 5. Juni von Sanitätern aus dem Calabasis-Haus in ein Krankenhaus gebracht wurden nachdem sie mit Motrin Pills und zerschnittenen Armgelenk aufgefunden wurde.

                        "She is devastated," Rowe said. "She tried to kill herself. She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn't feel she has a life anymore."
                        "Sie ist verzweifelt" sagt Rowe. Sie hat versucht sich umzubringen. Sie ist verzweiflet. Sie hat kein Leben. Sie denkt sie hat kein Leben mehr"

                        Jackson family representatives have not provided an update or publicly classified her hospitalization as a suicide attempt. Jurors have heard from her older brother, Prince, but have only seen Paris through a couple clips of her deposition and have heard references to her struggling with her father's death.

                        Katherine Jackson claims in her lawsuit that AEG Live failed to properly investigate the doctor later convicted of giving her son an overdose of the anesthetic propofol while he prepared for a series of comeback shows in 2009.

                        AEG denies it hired Conrad Murray or bears any responsibility for the singer's death.

                        Marvin S. Putnam, the company's lead defense attorney, said in opening statements that the case was about Jackson's personal choices and his desire to use propofol as a sleep aid.

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                        • Michael Jackson trial: Debbie Rowe cries during testimony
                          Wednesday, August 14, 2013
                          By Miriam Hernandez and Christina Salvo

                          (enthält video)

                          LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Michael Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe took the stand Wednesday in the pop icon's wrongful death trial, crying as she described Jackson's fear of pain.

                          It took a subpoena to bring Rowe, mother to Prince and Paris Jackson, to court to testify for the defense. Prosecutors questioned Rowe about Jackson's drug use when they were a couple. AEG attorneys want to show that Jackson had drug problems as far back as the early 1990s.

                          Rowe was a nurse assistant to dermatologist Arnold Klein, who she said provided the painkiller Demerol and Propofol for many of the hundreds of treatments Jackson received over 20 years.

                          According to records in evidence, Klein was treating Jackson up until three days before his death.

                          Rowe broke down on the witness stand, describing Jackson as a victim of doctors competing over a celebrity patient.

                          "Michael respected doctors immensely," she testified. "Unfortunately, some of the doctors decided that when Michael was in pain, that they would try to outdo each other, who could give the better drug."

                          Rowe identified the doctors as Klein and plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin.

                          "These idiots were going back and forth the whole time and not caring about him," Rowe said.

                          Rowe testified that Jackson had trouble sleeping, but always seemed to be able to sleep after a doctor's appointment. She said his use of pain meds started with his accident in 1984, when his scalp burned filming a Pepsi commercial.

                          In 1993, she described a painful surgery to stretch his scalp and remove scar tissue. Even though the surgery happened three years before Jackson wed Rowe, she was present during the surgery. She said Jackson asked her to be present to make sure everything was OK.

                          "Michael had a very low pain tolerance," Rowe said as she began to cry. "His fear of pain was incredible."

                          Klein and Hoefflin, she said, were providing powerful drugs -- to the point she consulted with Jackson's internist. She testified that Dr. Allan Metzger designed a plan to wean Jackson off the meds.

                          She told the jury that another doctor foiled the effort as Jackson left on the Dangerous World Tour, and that he rejected Metzger's directions. Later that year, Jackson announced he was cutting his Dangerous World Tour short to enter rehab.

                          "My friends and doctors advised me to seek professional guidance immediately in order to eliminate what has become an addiction. It is time for me to acknowledge my need for treatment in order to regain my health," Jackson said in a recorded statement at the time.

                          Rowe returns to the witness stand on Thursday.

                          AEG is trying to show that Jackson's use of medications and prescription drugs was habitual, and that his death, in part, was caused by his own behavior.

                          The lawsuit, brought by Katherine Jackson and the pop star's three children, claims that AEG was negligent in Jackson's death. Katherine Jackson claims that AEG executives pressured her son to perform and, at the star's request, hired Dr. Conrad Murray.

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                          • The Jacksons vs. AEG Live — Zeugen von AEG, 11. Teil

                            15. August 2013

                            Hier einige Artikel zu Debbie Rowes Aussage im Zeugenstand. Sie ist mehrmals in Tränen ausgebrochen, belastete die Ärzte Hoefflin und Klein, und berichtete, was sie während der History Tour in München erlebte. Aus personellen Gründen können wir diese Woche nur stark reduziert über den Prozess berichten. Hier deshalb zwei Links zu Debbie Rowes Aussagen Auf deutsch: “Michael Jackson hatte panische Angst vor Schmerzen” (Bluewin.ch) http://www.bluewin.ch/de/index.php/1...people/sda/Auf englisch und etwas ausführlicher: Debbie Rowe: Michael Jackson used propofol to sleep in the 1990s (latimes.com) http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...,6454650.story
                            Debbie Rowe berichtete, dass sie in einem Hotel in München, während der History Tournee erlebte, wie Michael Propofol verabreicht wurde. Er habe mehr Angst davor gehabt, nicht schlafen zu können (und so nicht auf der Bühne performen zu können), als, dass er sich davor fürchtete, daran zu sterben. Drei Tage später habe sie erneut mitgekriegt, wie Michael Propofol erhielt.

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                            • Jacksons vs AEG - Day 70 – August 15 2013 – Summary

                              Katherine and Trent Jackson is in court.


                              Debbie Rowe Testimony



                              Jackson cross


                              Rowe started out being questioned by Deborah Chang, one of Katherine Jackson’s attorneys. Much of Rowe’s early testimony was explaining the medical conditions Jackson suffered from. Through photos, she explained to the jury what vitiligo, discoid lupus looked like and their effects. (AP)

                              Jacksons attorney Deborah Chang resumed cross examination. Chang asked if traffic was better today. "It's Palmdale... it was actually worse today," Rowe responded. (ABC7)

                              Rowe said you couldn't look at it and say it was lupus. Then Chang showed picture of black male with vitiligo. "The thing with vitiligo, the color can come and go and if you go on the sun you can get sunburn," Rowe explained. (ABC7)

                              Rowe said vitiligo was harder to treat in people with darker skin, and explained that the skin lightening can come and go. She said it became clear that Jackson’s vitiligo wasn’t going to go away at some point, and it caused him tremendous anxiety. Jackson, in consultation with Dr. Klein, opted to de-pigment all of his skin, Rowe said. Vitiligo was one of the reasons that Jackson sought frequent treatment from Dr. Klein, Rowe said. (AP)

                              "For Michael, it came and went for a good period of the time. It was easy to cover with make-up," Rowe testified. "Everybody said he bleached himself, but he didn't," Rowe said. Rowe: It's easier go lighter color and try to match with make-up. It's hard to match dark skin, they don't make good make-up for dark skin. Rowe said Michael had come to a point it (vitiligo) was going to stay, it wasn't going to get any better. "Each time the pigment disappearead, it got bigger and bigger." She said that cause tremendous anxiety in Michael. Rowe said up until 99 MJ still had issues w/ it. "Vitiligo is seasonal, it'd come and go. Sometimes it'd be better and sometimes it wouldn't. Rowe said Dr. Klein tried different treatments, ultimately tried to de-pigment. "You can't just slap cream around whenever you want, you need to get your skin checked," Rowe said. That's one of the reasons MJ saw Klein. (ABC7)

                              Chang then asked about the burns to Jackson’s scalp that occurred during the Pepsi commercial shoot. (AP) Michael's burn was very serious, Rowe explained. Rowe: I didn't want him to feel as hopeless as he felt. We may not be able to make it perfect, but let’s see what we can do. "He's very shy, so for him to have all of these going on and being in public it was very hard," Rowe testified. Rowe said MJ cried about it, was embarrassed and felt disfigured. He was worried that people would see disfigurement before he would. Chang asked if there was a comparison to elephant man. She said yes. "He didn't really trust anyone at all," Rowe explained. (ABC7)

                              Thursday's testimony, however, began with Rowe's description of Jackson's skin problems, which included vitiligo -- a condition in which his pigment disappeared, leaving large white spots on his face, hands and body. "Everyone says he bleached himself, but he didn't," Rowe said. Many of his visits to Dr. Arnold Klein, the Beverly Hills dermatologist where she worked for 18 years as a medical assistant, were to treat the condition, she testified. Jackson compared himself to the "Elephant Man," a 19th-century Englishman who became a circus sideshow curiosity because of severe disfigurements, she said. "He was worried that people would see the disease or the disfigurement before they would see him working sometimes," Rowe testified. He also suffered from discoid lupus, which made his skin tissue "mushy," especially on his scalp, she said. (CNN)

                              Testifying during a negligence lawsuit filed by Jackson's mother, Debbie Rowe said the singer was treated for scars he sustained when his scalp was burned in a commercial shoot and for the skin-lightening disease vitiligo. Rowe said the injuries as well as the effects of vitiligo left Jackson feeling like he was disfigured. (AP)

                              Rowe offered perhaps the most detailed public recital of Jackson’s medical ailments, saying he suffered from vitiligo, discoid lupus and keloids from serious burns on his scalp sustained during the 1984 filming of a Pepsi commercial. The conditions, Rowe testified, would be difficult on their own for anyone. For Jackson, she said, it was worse. “He’s very shy. For him to have all this going on and to be in public, it was really really difficult for him,” she said. The singer was embarrassed of his skin conditions, she said, and compared himself to the Elephant Man. Jackson’s vitiligo — where skin loses pigment in patches — “would come and go,” Rowe said, but grew progressively worse. He made a decision to “depigment” his skin because he couldn’t find decent makeup, she said. “Everybody says he bleached himself, which he didn’t,” she said. (LATimes)

                              Rowe, on her role of accompanying Jackson to procedures: “I didn’t want him to feel as hopeless as he felt and as helpless as he felt.” She said any one of Jackson’s conditions would have been difficult for a person to deal with, but MJ had to deal with it in the public eye. Chang: “He felt disfigured?” Yes, Rowe replied. Chang asked if Jackson felt embarrassed. Rowe said he did feel embarrassed. “He was worried that people would see the disease and the disfigurement before they would see him working,” Rowe said. Rowe was asked whether Jackson compared himself to the Elephant Man. She said he did. (AP)

                              Rowe said Michael didn't disclose it to his mother. He wanted her to know that he was okay and that she didn't have to worry about him. (ABC7) Rowe was she and Jackson talked about everything, and that he didn’t want to burden his mother with specifics about his conditions. (AP)

                              Rowe noted she wasn’t a Michael Jackson fan when they met and she told him so. “I apparently have no filter, as my daughter says,” she said. Jackson found her honesty refreshing, Rowe said. She began to accompany him to medical appointments to put him at ease, watch out for him. (AP) Chang: Did you always make him laugh? Rowe: Well, that was our relationship. Rowe said Michael had a really good sense of humor and they tried to find humor in stuff. "And if he was feeling down I'd do something to take his mind off of it," Rowe said. "I apparently have no filter, as my daughter says." Chang: Did he appreciate that on you? Rowe: He did, I think he felt refreshed. Because he couldn't do it, he was happy I could. (ABC7)

                              “As busy as he was, he wasn’t the best person to think about and organize and keep track of his medical care,” Rowe said. Rowe explained to the jury why Jackson needed two doctors to treat his discoid lupus. She said it needed treatment from a rheumatologist (Dr. Allan Metzger) and a dermatologist, (Dr. Arnold Klein.) Both got extra training in their respective fields. (AP) Rowe: He knew I'd look after him, I wanted him to see the best physician, would find people who would take care of him. Rowe said she told MJ he needed to be organized with his medication, get one of those morning, afternoon, evening pill organizer. (ABC7)

                              Rowe went with Michael to see other physicians. Dr Metzger is an internist and rheumatologist who treats auto-immune diseases, such as lupus . Chang: So it takes a dermatologist and rheumatologist to treat discoid lupus? Rowe: Yes Rowe said Dr. Metzger was amazing, became MJ's internist. "And he was the best man in our wedding," she said. (ABC7) Chang asked Rowe a few questions about Metzger. She told the jury Metzger was the best man at her and Jackson’s wedding in 1996. (AP)

                              “He was almost phobic about needles,” Chang asked. “No, he was phobic,” Rowe replied. (AP) Chang: And he was almost phobic to needles? Rowe: Oh, he was phobic. C: And sometimes you'd have to literally hold his hand? R: I always did. Rowe said Michael wanted her present in all procedures. She said he always had problems with scar on burn scalp. Chang: Was Dr. Hoefflin a very prominent plastic surgeon? Rowe: Yes, and very, very good. (ABC7)

                              Rowe was also complementary of Hoefflin’s skills as a plastic surgeon when he first treated Jackson. She then explained that Jackson had keloids, a series of lumpy bumps on his skin that sometimes happen to burn victims. A couple photos were shown. None of the pictures Chang showed Rowe to demonstrate medical conditions were of Jackson. Rowe said keloids are extremely painful. On Jackson, they started “mid-scalp and went back to the crown,” she said. Keloid tissue is very hard and dense and it requires regular injections to treat. She said an air gun is used for some of the treatments. “It’s horribly painful,” Rowe said. She said in some treatments, you can hear the skin popping while the medication is administered. (AP) Chang: He had painful burn keloids? Rowe: They were keloids, I don't believe there's a different between burn or a cut. A keloid is a keloid. Rowe explained there were areas the scars were linear and elevated, other areas looked like skin had been stretched, other it was very thin. Rowe said Asian skin and Black skin are the worse for trauma. Chang: And do you know keloids can be very painful? Rowe: They are. Rowe said keloid tissue is very dense, hard. To get cortisone in, you don't want it to get around the keloid, you want it to get in the area. Cortisone softens the tissue. "You could hear the skin popping when the medication was going in," Rowe said. "It was horribly painful." (ABC7)

                              After the treatments on Jackson, there wasn't enough skin for plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin to do a scalp reduction. That’s why Jackson had to have an implant placed under his scalp to expand the skin. That was done by Dr. Gordon Sasaki. The aim was to get one keloid to contend with on Jackson’s scalp, but it wasn’t successful, Rowe said. It fell apart in 1996 or 1997. In the end, the keloids got “even thicker and lumpier.” Rowe said another surgery wasn't an option. (AP) Rowe: He had such significant scarring, he didn't have enough tissue left, there was no skin to stretch (to do reduction plastic surgery). The burn area couldn't grow hair, baldness also grew. "He hated it," Rowe said. That's when they called Dr. Sasaki, around 1993. Rowe: What they show here is what happened to Michael. They would put saline every 7-10 days and let it stretch it out. Chang: It literally expands, stretches the skin? Rowe: Yes "It was brutally painful," Rowe said. "It required pain medication." (ABC7)

                              The keloids, she said, were dense, bumpy scars that went from the middle of Jackson’s scalp back to the crown of his head. Klein and other doctors would inject cortisone into the tissue to soften the scars — a procedure Rowe said was “horribly painful.” “You could hear the skin popping when the medication went in,” she said. Ultimately, she said, doctors looked to insert a “tissue expander” to expand what healthy skin was left on the singer’s head. A flap was filled with saline every seven to 10 days to stretch the skin, she said, again describing the treatment as “brutally painful.” (LATimes)


                              "There are time you cut keloid and you end up w/ bigger keloid," Rowe said. They wanted to have only 1 linear keloid on MJ's head to deal. Around 1997, it felt apart. "Because of the lupus it didn't hold down," Rowe said. He had lumpier, bumpier keloids. Rowe said after cortisone shot, sometimes the keloid would go down, sometime it would get worse. Rowe said after cortisone shot, sometimes the keloid would go down, sometime it would get worse. (ABC7)

                              Chang: And you saw first hand his fight with pain? Rowe: Yes . Rowe: I wasn't assigned to help him recover, I took care of him when he came to see Dr. Klein. Rowe said, crying, that she went with Michael to other procedures out of love, not because she had to. "Because he was my friend, I wanted to make sure he was ok." (ABC7) Rowe began to break down as Chang asked her to describe her helping Jackson during his medical treatments. She said she wanted to make sure her friend was OK, but it wasn’t part of her job to accompany him to treatments outside of Klein’s office. (AP)


                              Rowe said she would ask Jackson about his pain on a 1-10 scale, and he would get scared if his pain approached reached level 3. (AP) Rowe developed a pain scale to help measure Michael's pain. She said it was easier to assess the pain that way. Chang: At what number he got scared? Rowe: 3. "I don't know that his pain level went from 3 to 10, I know his fear accelerated because his fear of pain was so bad," Rowe explained. Chang: When he had pain, did he have cold sweats? Rowe: Yes C: Was he pale? R: Yes. Rowe said it was like a blind migraine, he couldn't see, wasn't performing at time, he couldn't do anything. Chang: Do you agree it was debilitating? Rowe: Yes C: And it was real? R: Yes (ABC7) She said she saw him in so much pain, he would have cold sweats, grow pale, and couldn’t see or think clearly when this happened. Chang: “He couldn’t be creative?” “He couldn’t do anything,” Rowe responded. (AP)

                              Rowe: I didn't want him to unnecessarily take, you don't take vicodin if you can do it with motrin, for example. She said they were doing demerol after surgery, then percocet. Chang: He had legitimate need for pain medication? Rowe: Yes C: You agree MJ wanted to be responsible for pain management? R: Yes. "He didn't want to be loopy," Rowe said. "When he had pain medication, he didn't go out. We stayed in, because he was slurring." Chang: That's not how he wanted to be? Rowe: Correct C: Was he perfectionist? R: Meticulous. Chang: Do you agree he did the best he could? Rowe: Yes . (ABC7)

                              "His biggest problem was that Dr. Klein and Dr. Hoefflin were trying to overprescribe medication," Rowe opined. Chang: Just to be clear, not at the request of MJ? Rowe: Yes . He did not want pain," Rowe said. She said he had no choice but deal with the doctors. (ABC7)


                              Jackson was very fearful of pain, she said, noting he was afraid of needles and that she “always” held his hand. The pain would be so intense, she said, he would suffer “blind migraines,” get cold sweats and grow pale. “He couldn’t do anything,” Rowe said. But, Rowe said, she never saw Jackson “doctor shop” in order to get more pain medications. He was very trusting of doctors and “very loyal” to his own, she said. “He said, ‘They take the oath. Do no harm,’” Rowe testified. (LAtimes)

                              Rowe said Jackson “wanted to be able to focus on his work. She said when he had taken pain medication, they wouldn't go out. Jackson’s struggles with pain medications were well-known on his “Dangerous” tour, Rowe said. Rowe: “It wasn't a secret. I used to hang out with the dancers and the people who worked with him.” Chang asked whether Rowe remembered Paul Gongaware from the “Dangerous” tour. She did not. (AP)

                              Rowe: After procedure in 93, MJ went on tour and was doing that part of the tour until Forecast, I met him one time I didn't know who he was. "Next time I met Michael in Mexico City and he was a mess," Rowe recalled. Chang: He made an announcement to the world he needed to get help? Rowe: Yes (ABC7)

                              Chang: Did you ever hear the name Paul Gongaware? Rowe: I don't know why I know the name. (ABC7)

                              Rowe said they would not allow her to talk to Forecast. Chang asked if she knew Forecast has been hired by the insurance company. Objection. Chang asked if tours caused MJ extreme stress or anxiety. She said yes. (ABC7)

                              Chang: Did he try to hide any drugs from you? Rowe: Not that I know of (ABC7) Rowe said she felt Jackson was always open and honest with her.Chang: “Did he ever try to hide any drugs from you?” “Not that I know of.” (AP)

                              Debbie Rowe was also asked about watching Jackson’s shows. She said she would sit on stage so as not to get crushed by the fans. While she wasn’t initially a fan of his music, Rowe said Jackson’s performances were amazing and she wished everyone had seen 1 of his shows (AP) Rowe: When I'd go to a concert and I was fortunate enough to be on stage, I'd see him. "MJ was my friend before anything else," Rowe said. "I'm so freaking lucky." "It was just, it was surreal, because I wasn't a fan, I was his friend first," Rowe explained. Rowe: The show was amazing, the dancers wee amazing, Michael was so physical when he'd do his performance. Rowe: He'd still ask 'how did I do, did I do ok?' Really dude, you didn't hear 55,000 people screaming? I think you did ok. "It was an athletic event to see him perform," Rowe explained. Rowe said on "This Is It" MJ wasn't performing, it was just a run-through of what he would do on the show. (ABC7) She spoke of his concerts, which she described as “amazing,” and watching them from a seat on stage. “I would see him and I would think, is this Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson was my friend before he was anything else,” she said. “I saw him, and I would say, ‘Oh my God, I know him.’ … And I would think, 'I’m so flipping lucky.’” (LATimes)

                              Chang showed a timeline of Jackson’s accomplishments between 1983 and 2000, when he and Rowe were close friends. Chang had to show the timeline to AEG Live defense attorney Marvin Putnam, who wasn’t shown it before court convened today. There was a little bit of bickering, and Rowe told the attorneys, “But sharing is caring.” Putnam was OK with jurors seeing the timeline. While there were a lot of professional accomplishments, Rowe noted that Jackson became a dad during that time period. (It was on the chart) (AP)

                              "Most important, he became a dad," Rowe said. "He said they take the oath to do no harm. He was very loyal to his physicians." Rowe: I knew that the only one who had Michael's best interest was Dr. Metzger. He treated him as a patient, human being and a friend. (ABC7)

                              Rowe said there worse type of medical care is: - very rich: can buy it - very poor: can't afford any - very famous: can dictate it. “ When it came to the pain he wasn't dictating, it was begging for relief," Rowe described. "He trusted what doctors were doing." Rowe said she tried to tell MJ he allowed doctors to control him too much, he should not be submissive. (ABC7)

                              Rowe reiterated that Jackson trusted and respected his doctor. “He was very loyal to his physicians,” she said. “He always thought doctors would have his best interests at heart,” Rowe said. That was true of Metzger, she said. She was also asked whether Jackson tried to dictate his care. Rowe said MJ wouldn’t question his doctor’s decisions. Rowe: “When it came to the pain, I wouldn’t say it was dictating, it was more begging for relief than anything.” (AP)

                              “The very rich, very poor and the very famous get the worst medical care,” she said Thursday. “The very rich can buy it, the very poor can’t get any and the very famous can dictate it.” (LATimes)

                              Rowe, clutching a tissue and breaking down at times, described Jackson as being in debilitating pain throughout the nearly 20 years that she knew him. She said her husband trusted his doctors and depended on them to give him proper medications. Jackson wouldn't specifically demand certain medications but had an intense fear of pain caused by procedures to try to repair his scalp, she said. "When it came to the pain ... it was more begging for relief than anything," Rowe said. "He respected doctors so he wouldn't question what they were doing." (AP)

                              When asked if she thought Jackson dictated his medical care to his own doctors, Rowe said, “When it came to pain, I wouldn’t say it was dictating. I would say it was more begging for relief.” “He respected doctors and wouldn’t question what they were doing,” she said. (LATimes)

                              Chang: Was he treated like a cash cow? Rowe: Yes Chang: Was he engaged in doctor shopping? Rowe: No. Rowe: There may have been, I don't know. I had not really heard about doctor shopping, specially at the degree we have today, back then. (ABC7)

                              Chang said in 2000 MJ was seeing a lot of doctors. Rowe said he had his doctors in LA. Rowe said she always instructed the nannies to have doctors on standby when they travelled and to keep notes of their treatment. (ABC7)

                              It was around this point that Rowe was asked if she thought Jackson was doctor shopping. She said no. Rowe said doctor shopping wasn’t a term she was familiar with back when she was close to Jackson. Chang asked if she agreed that Jackson never sought out doctors solely to get drugs. “To my knowledge, no," she responded. Rowe was pretty annoyed with some of Chang’s questions, which she said were too general. (AP)

                              Chang: Did he have to search for doctors to give him drugs? Rowe: No . Chang: In your opinion, when he saw doctors is because he needed it? Rowe: That's very general... Rowe: Not every appointment was 'I have to see a doctor.' It was 'I'm going to have a performance, I need to have collagen.' Chang: Would you agree that MJ never sought after doctors just to get medication? Rowe: Not that I know of. Rowe said she is nosy, so she checked all the medications the doctors gave him. (ABC7)

                              Attorneys talked over each other objecting. "I feel their pain," Rowe said pointing to the jurors. (ABC7)

                              Regarding Hoefflin putting MJ down and not treating him, Rowe said: "I didn't think I saw it, I saw it! I was there, I saw it!" Rowe said that when she worked with Dr. Klein, MJ's vitiligo got progressively worse. (ABC7)

                              Chang then moved into questions about Rowe’s relationship with Jackson. She said they’d watch movies together, in person and on the phone. Rowe hadn’t seen “To Kill a Mockingbird,” so Jackson called her one time when it was on TV. They didn’t know what a word meant, so Rowe said Jackson called up Gregory Peck to answer questions about the film. “Michael was tickled,” she said. (AP)
                              Rowe said she would watch movies with MJ all the time. Some times they went to the movie theater, even though MJ had a theater at Neverland. Rowe said MJ would call her and say "To Kill a Mockingbird" is on. "He was great friends with Gregory Peck," she explained. They didn't know what schiferella was, so MJ told her lets call Gregory Peck. Peck explained a bunch of things of the movie to them. Rowe said when MJ was very contemplative, they went to Forest Lawn (cemetery) over Griffith Park. "Michael loves sculpture," she explained. "I never realized that's a place he could go and it was quiet, and just be himself. It was nice, it was nice," Rowe recalled. She said there wasn't a bunch of people, he could go and hang out. (ABC7) The jury seemed to hang on every word of Rowe's testimony, which included the singer's medical conditions, and the time they were watching "To Kill a Mockingbird" and called Gregory Peck with a question about the movie he had starred in.(LAtimes)

                              There were very few places where Jackson could go in public and not be mobbed or noticed, she said. One place where he took Rowe was Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, where they looked at the sculptures and artwork in peace. Jackson’s body was kept for several weeks at the cemetery after his death, and he’s interred at another Forest Lawn cemetery. Rowe said one way she and Jackson would sneak around was she would pick him up in her Toyota Celica. They went to Tower Records one day. No one noticed them, Rowe said, until Jackson spoke up and asked about a particular artist. Then everyone recognized Jackson’s voice. Rowe said they had to hide out in the store’s bathroom until Jackson’s security detail arrived.She said she got in trouble for the trip. (AP)

                              Rowe said that when he was feeling depressed, she took him out. There were a lot of impersonators in the 80-90s. Rowe: I drive a Celica, really, MJ in a Celica? She said at one time they went to tower records without security. She said there were only a few people in there, MJ was looking at CDs. Rowe: Then I hear from across the room 'Debbie, do you know this? Then everyone knew who he was, the store was packed in 20 minutes. Rowe locked herself in bathroom at Tower Records with MJ and called his security to pick them up. "I got in so much trouble," she recalled. (ABC7)

                              Rowe: He said you should incorporate horses with your love of animals. He paid for me to go back to school. "He helped whoever he could" Rowe said. (ABC7)

                              Rowe: In concerts, those girls will kill you to get near the stage -- fans laughed in overflow room. Rowe said security would give watches and rings. MJ would pick a girl to dance with him. "I thought that was so sweet."Chang showed video of woman on stage hugging Michael during "You're Not Alone" song. Rowe cried watching it. (ABC7) Chang played a clip of Jackson performing “You Are Not Alone” in Germany. A woman came on stage, clung to Jackson and refused to let go. The jury was in stitches laughing at the woman clinging to Jackson. She gave a leg kick when security took her off stage. Chang also played the music video for “Remember the Time.” Rowe pointed out one of Jackson’s camels from Neverland was in the video. (AP)

                              Rowe asked if Jackson was easily manipulated. “He could be,” Rowe replied. Chang asked if it happened when he was scared; Rowe said yes. Rowe told the jury that Jackson had so much adrenaline after shows that he couldn’t sleep afterward. (AP)

                              Chang asked some questions about Jackson received propofol to help him sleep in Munich, Germany on the “HIStory” tour. Rowe was asked more questions about the propofol treatment in Germany. She said she was worried it would affect him. She said Jackson was clean, and she was concerned that getting the anesthesia would trigger some sort of relapse. In response to questions from Chang, Rowe said the German doctors brought their equipment in through the hotel’s front door. Chang was trying to make the point that Jackson’s propofol treatment in that instance wasn’t totally hidden. (AP)

                              "He had difficulty to sleep anywhere, it wasn't just a tour problem," Rowe said. Rowe: "I'd see him go 4 days without sleep because he was thinking of a song or a project he wanted to do." Chang: Fournier never gave MJ anesthesia for just sleep, right? Rowe: Correct . Around 1997, near the end of tour, he uses Propofol to sleep in Munich. Chang: MJ never sought out anesthesiologist just for the purpose to sleep prior to that, correct? Rowe: Yes. Rowe: After HIStory he couldn't sleep, he talked to me and I said he had to talk to Metzger. Chang asked about the conversation Rowe and MJ had with Dr. Metzger about him not sleeping while in Germany. There were 2 anesthesiologists that came over, Rowe said. They brought in heart monitor and equipment to the hotel, didn't hide anything. Chang: Based on your observations, he never asked for medication to sleep? Rowe: Not that I knew of. Rowe: I discussed with, I can assume that Dr. Metzger had a discussion with these doctors about what they were going to do. Chang: Outside the US, do they use Propofol to treat insomnia? Rowe corrected: It was Diprivan. Rowe: Metzger had conversation w/ MJ. Apparently it was decided these doctors were going to give him anesthesia to put him to sleep 8 hrs. Rowe said she spoke with the doctors to make sure she knew what they were doing. The doctors spoke English. Rowe: I spoke to Metzger to make sure it was the same medication. "I knew they were anesthesiologists, they had practice in Munich. I don't know if they had gone to hotels to do this," Rowe said. In 1996, the law prohibited the use of any anesthesia outside a surgical center. Chang: You would not allow any illegal procedure in the hotel room, correct? Rowe: Yes. Not knowing. Rowe said the doctors had physicians desk reference book with them. They told Michael there was risk, including death. Rowe: My fear in addition to harm, it was because he was clean, this was after he went to rehab. "I didn't want anything they were giving him to affect his addiction to demerol," Rowe testified. Rowe said doctors were very detailed kept medical records. If she didn't feel comfortable, she wouldn't have allowed treatment to take place. This was 5 months after Prince was born, Rowe recalled. "They told me that anything more than 4 hours they had 2 physicians." It took some planing to put the equipment together, Rowe said. Chang: Did he ever say bring the equipment in the dark in the middle of the night through an alley? Rowe: He came through the front door. Chang: And secutity brought them up? Rowe: I don't believe anyone ever come up without security. The doctors were there on 2 occasions, with all the same equipment. Sometimes Michael would get IV for dehydration after shows, Rowe said. Chang: He used IVs for fluids, vitamins while on tour, right? Rowe: Yes. Chang: Based on your observations on that tour, Mr. Jackson wasn't asking medication to get high? Rowe: No. "He didn't like being high," Rowe testified. Chang: During the 20 years you were friends not habit of diprivan or any anesthesia to sleep? Rowe: Not that I know. (ABC7)

                              Rowe was then asked about her children with Jackson. She said he was devastated after his divorce from Lisa Marie Presley. She said she asked Jackson why, and he mentioned that he didn’t have children. Rowe said she told her friend that he could still be a father. Rowe said she told Jackson, “Let me have a baby with you. You can have the joy of being a parent.” Jackson thought about it for a couple of weeks before agreeing to have a child with her. (AP) Chang: Did you have discussions he wanted to be a father? Rowe: He loved kids, he did. Rowe: He was devastated after the divorce, I was trying to help. What does make you the happiest? 'I want to be a father' he said. Rowe said she told him he could still be a father. They talked about it and then... it happened. (ABC7) On another matter, Rowe said Jackson was devastated by his divorce from Lisa Marie Presley and because he didn't have any children. Rowe said she told him they should have a baby together. By that time, she and Jackson had been friends for more than a decade, with Rowe holding the singer's hand as he received injections for numerous medical procedures and talking with him several times a week. "I wanted him to be a father," she said. "I wanted him to have everything he didn't have growing up. I wanted him to experience it with his own child, with his own children." (AP)

                              Chang then showed a photo of Jackson, in makeup for his short film “Ghost,” riding on the back of her Harley-Davidson motorcycle. Rowe said she told Jackson and he was so excited, he ran onto the tarmac of the airport where they were filming “Ghost.” (AP) Chang showed Rowe and MJ in a Harley motorcycle, he was with make-up on. He always had crews with him to document stuff, Rowe said. She took him for a ride and took him to a tarmac and said I need to talk to you. "I said you're going to be a dad," Rowe said, sobbing. "He was so excited, he ran out in the tarmac screaming." Chang asked if he bought all the books around. Rowe said he was a big reader anyway. "He wanted to be the best dad he could be" she recalled. Rowe said she asked Michael to make two cassettes for Prince, she wanted the baby to hear his voice. "I had a headset over my stomach so baby could hear him, so the baby knows who you are," Rowe described. "They knew his voice." Chang showed pictures of Dr. Metzger and Rowe/MJ in Sydney during wedding, MJ, Debbie and kids. "He was amazing," Rowe said about MJ as a father. Rowe told Michael Paris was going to have him around her little finger. Rowe: Before anybody knew I was pregnant with this baby, he was shopping for clothes, would donate some times. "I was pregnant, he was picking clothes for his own children," Rowe said. Chang: Did you make a decision to leave the children with Michael? Rowe: Yes C: Ever regretted it? R: No. Rowe: Michael wanted to be a father. I didn’t sign on to be a mom. I loved him very much, and I still do. Rowe: I wanted him to be a father, to have everything he didn't have growing up, to experience it with this own children. Chang: To have a full childhood? Rowe: Yes Chang: Did you think MJ would be a good father? Rowe: I never questioned that he wouldn't be. Chang: Do you still love them? Rowe: I'm so proud of them. (ABC7)

                              She said the "Thriller" singer was "devastated" when Lisa Marie Presley filed for divorce in 1996, and she wanted to ease his pain. Rowe said she asked him what made him "saddest," and he said it was the fact they never had kids. "I said, 'Let me have a baby with you,'" Rowe told the Los Angeles jury. "It took him a couple weeks going back and forth, thinking about it, and we talked about it." Rowe never elaborated on how they pursued conception, but she described in intimate detail the afternoon she rode her Harley Davidson motorcycle across the San Fernando Valley to meet Michael on the Van Nuys Airport set of his 1996 short film "Ghosts" and break the baby news. Michael was getting ready to do a shoot, she recalled, but she convinced him to hop on the back of her Harley so they could find a private spot to talk."I said, 'You're going to be a dad!' I was pregnant," Rowe recalled. "He was so excited, he ran around the tarmac screaming."She said Michael recorded cassette tapes that she would play on headphones over her pregnant belly so the baby would know his voice. (NYDailyNews)

                              Rowe said Michael was equally over the moon when he learned that Paris was on the way. "I told him, 'You're going to be so whipped,'" Rowe testified. "Before anyone knew I was pregnant with this baby, he was shopping for clothes." Rowe said she had no regrets about "leaving" the kids with Michael when their 3-year marriage ended in divorce in 1999. "Michael wanted to be a father. I didn't sign on to be a mom. I loved him very much and I still do," she said, breaking down in tears. "I wanted him to be a father, I wanted him to have everything that he didn't have growing up, wanted him to experience it with his own child, his own children."She agreed with Katherine's lawyer that she "never" would have left the kids with Michael if she thought he was "a drug addict." (NYDailyNews)

                              Chang showed several pictures of Jackson’s oldest children when they were babies, some with the four of them together. Rowe said when she told Jackson he was going to have a daughter, she told him he was going to be in big trouble. Rowe: “I told him, ‘You’re going to be so whipped. She’s just going to have you around her finger.’” Rowe’s was asked about her decision to leave the children with MJ when they separated and divorced. She said she didn't regret that choice. “I loved him very much and I still do,” Rowe said. “I wanted him to be a father. I wanted him to have everything he didn’t have growing up.” Rowe said she was very proud of Jackson’s three children, including Blanket. She said she wouldn’t have left them if Jackson was an addict. (AP)

                              Chang asked how MJ looked in the This Is It movie. "He looked horrible," she responded. Rowe learned about MJ's death on the radio, she was driving home. (ABC7) Chang asked whether Rowe saw the “This Is It” film, and how she thought Jackson looked. “He looked horrible,” she said. (AP)

                              Rowe was then asked about her relationship with Prince and Paris. She said she was closer to Paris than Prince. (AP)

                              Rowe said she saw Prince at least once after MJ died. "We don't hate each other," she said. But she's closer to Paris. Rowe said at the end of March, April started seeing Paris, talked on the phone every day. "She stayed weekends with me," Rowe testified. (ABC7)

                              Asked about her relationship with 16-year-old Prince, who attends a private high school in the San Fernando Valley, she shrugged. "We don't hate each other, if that's what you mean," she said. "I'm closer to my daughter." Rowe said she and Paris, 15, began seeing each other at the end of March. She said they talked on the phone and texted frequently and that Paris stayed with her on weekends. Rowe, who raises quarter horses in Palmdale, sobbed as she explained how Jackson’s death has affected Paris, referring to a June 5 suicide attempt that sent her to the hospital. “I almost lost my daughter,” Rowe said. “She is devastated. She tried to kill herself.… She doesn’t feel like she has a life anymore.” (LATimes)

                              Rowe said before Paris’ hospitalization, she and Paris were communicating daily and she was spending weekends at Rowe’s ranch. Chang asked how Paris had been affected by their father’s death. Rowe broke down and stayed silent for several moments. “Their father is dead,” she said in a raspy voice, and then started to mention Jackson’s schedule. AEG Live’s attorney objected. Rowe covered her face with her hands and he objection was sustained. She told the jury, “I almost lost my daughter.” Chang asked if Rowe had spoken to Paris about her father’s death. “She is devastated,” Rowe said. “She tried to kill herself.” “She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn’t feel she has a life anymore," Rowe said of her daughter, Paris Jackson. Chang concluded her examination. Rowe was incredibly upset by this point. The court took a short break before resuming. (AP)

                              Their father is dead," an emotional Rowe said. "When I saw the tour come out, the schedule..." "I almost lost my daughter," Rowe said, sobbing on the stand. "She is devastated, she tried to kill herself, she is devastated. She has no life, she doesn't' feel like she has a life anymore," Rowe said "My children were never a sacrifice," Rowe said. Rowe left the courtroom sobbing. Judge broke session for a couple of minutes. (ABC7) When a lawyer for Katherine Jackson suggested that Michael's death wasn't something Rowe contemplated when she made the "sacrifice" of giving him full custody of their kids, the former dermatologist's assistant snapped back."My children were never a sacrifice," she said, breaking down to the point that she needed time to compose herself outside the courtroom (NYDailyNews)

                              The mother of Michael Jackson's two oldest children broke down in tears when she was asked to describe the impact of the singer's death on his daughter Paris. "Their father is dead," Debbie Rowe responded. "I almost lost my daughter! She is devastated. She tried to kill herself. She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn't feel she has a life anymore." (CNN) Rowe broke down when describing her recent relationship with her daughter Paris. She said she had been in daily touch with the teen until she had to be hospitalized on June 5, when paramedics were summoned to the Jackson family home in Calabasas. Rowe was asked how Jackson's death had affected his only daughter. "She is devastated," Rowe said. "She tried to kill herself. She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn't feel she has a life anymore." (AP) Michael Jackson's ex-wife wailed in anguish on the witness stand Thursday as she described the "devastation" that nearly claimed her only daughter with the King of Pop. "Their father is dead…I almost lost my daughter," Rowe said through loud sobs when asked about the fallout from Jackson's fatal overdose in June 2009."She is devastated, she tried to kill herself," Rowe moaned, describing 15-year-old Paris. "She doesn't feel she has a life anymore." (NYdailyNews)


                              AEG redirect

                              AEG Live attorney Marvin Putnam took over questioning. He was relatively brief. (AP)

                              In re-direct, Rowe said Dr. Klein treated MJ for acne, lupus, scaring and vitiligo. Rowe said she wasn't present when Michael had Botox because when she worked at Dr. Klein it had not been FDA approved yet. Putnam: Did he use Diprivan for collagen procedure? Rowe: Yes. Rowe said it was just demerol when collagen was injected around the mouth area. "But when injection was under the eye, it was painful, that's when we started the anesthesia," Rowe explained. (ABC7)

                              He asked Rowe about her concerns that Jackson was coming into Klein’s office for more than just collagen treatments. “I didn’t understand why he would come in twice in one week,” Rowe said. Putnam: “You were concerned he might be coming in for the drugs?” Yes, Rowe replied. (AP) Rowe said she asked Michael Jackson are you here because you really need collagen, or why are you here. "I didn't understand why he would come twice for collagen when he just had it done," Rowe questioned. This was early 90s. She was concerned MJ was coming in for the drugs. Putnam: You grew concerned about diprivan intake, approached Klein? Rowe: That was demerol, I called Dr. Metzger, I was concerned about demerol. Dr. Metzger said up disteril, lower demerol. Putnam: Did you asked Dr. Klein Michael was addicted to diprivan because of frequency he was using it? Rowe: Yes. Late 80s, early 90s. (ABC7)
                              Michael Jackson's ex-wife acknowledged Thursday that she was concerned that some of his frequent medical visits were motivated more by a desire for drugs than by the treatments he received. Debbie Rowe testified during the trial of a lawsuit that she told Jackson about her concerns when he would go to his longtime dermatologist more than once a week in the 1980s and early 1990s."I didn't understand why he would come in twice in one week," Rowe said, adding that she was concerned he might be in search of drugs rather than treatments for blemishes with collagen injections. "I didn't necessarily see what he wanted to have done."Rowe has offered a conflicting portrait of Jackson's medical treatments during her testimony, saying earlier that she never saw him engage in doctor shopping or request specific pain medications. She said many of the visits were legitimately tied to treatments for the skin-lightening condition vitiligo and scars he sustained after being burned during a Pepsi commercial shoot. (AP)

                              Rowe said Michael called her while he was in rehab in England. She said she told him she was working, since normal people worked. She told him he had to stop everything. He said he was working on it. Putnam: Including Diprivan? Rowe: Yes, everything P: In 1993? R: Yes (ABC7)

                              HIStory tour was 96-97, Munich. Putnam: Metzger had Jackson's interest in mind? Rowe: Yes. Rowe said Dr. Metzger directed her to bring a bag of medication to the Peninsula Hotel for Dr. Forecast. Dr. Klein went to HIStory tour to do collagen touch ups, acne treatment. He gave MJ demerol. (ABC7)

                              Putnam also asked whether Rowe was concerned that Jackson might be addicted to propofol. She said she asked about it, but was told that it wasn’t possible to become addicted to propofol. She did say she told Jackson to stop taking all drugs when he was in rehab. (AP) "I was told you can't become addicted to diprivan," Rowe testified. She said it was an anesthesia. Before you go to sleep, there's a bit of loss of control, she explained. "I was worried that sensation might trigger an addiction." "He was a bit of a control freak, he didn't like to be high," Rowe said. Rowe: I was just worried that part of the anesthesia would kick in. I was told you can't become addiction to it. Rowe: Dr. Metzger wanted to try Xanax and Michael said that hadn't work. I said you need to talk to each other and let me know what to do. (ABC7) Putnam asked about Metzger’s role in arranging the propofol treatment in Germany. She said the doctors came after she & Jackson talked to the Metzger. The German docs brought lots of monitoring equipment. Metzger initially suggested Jackson take a Xanax pill, but Jackson said he had tried that and it hadn’t worked. (AP)

                              Putnam asked about the video of Jackson performing in Munich and whether that was before or after the propofol treatment. Rowe didn’t know when the video was shot and said she couldn’t tell if it was before or after the treatments. (AP) "The shows were all the same, just the girls were different," Rowe said. And joked: "Uah, that sounds so cheap!" Everyone laughed. (ABC7)

                              After the divorce, Rowe never talked to the doctors about Michael's treatment anymore. Putnam: After 2000, whatever happened to Mr. Jackson you don't have first knowledge? Rowe: Correct (ABC7) Lastly, Putnam asked whether Rowe had any firsthand knowledge of Jackson’s care after the couple was divorced. She said no. (AP)


                              Jackson recross

                              In re-cross, Chang questioned: When you asked Dr. Klein if anyone could be addicted to diprivan, he said no, correct? Rowe: Yes. Chang: Was the bag of medication to wean MJ off demerol before 1993 rehab? Rowe: Yes Chang: Did he do everything he could to be the best? Rowe: He did (ABC7)

                              Chang asked one last final question, about whether Jackson did the best he could with his medications. Yes, she said, very faintly. (AP)

                              Rowe was excused.


                              David Slavit Video Deposition

                              (source : ABC7)

                              Dr. David Hal Slavit is a board certified otolaryngology. He's licensed to practice medicine in New York and New Jersey. He's never been suspended. Dr. Slavit performed physical exams in hundreds of patients. He has performed physical for purposes of insurance, he said. He explained the difference of physicals: problem-focus, more complete and comprehensive.

                              Dr. Slavit has performed physical for performance cancellation insurance. He said he checks vital signs, ear, nose, throat, neck, eyes, examination heart, lungs, abdomen and peripheral pulses. Q: Who typically contact you for performance cancellation insurance? Dr. Slavit said it's usually insurance broker or artist management. He said he's done approximately 30 physicals for performance cancellation insurance, mostly for singers, but not all. The majority of times, check comes from the insurance broker. He's done physicals in hotels, rehearsal studios, artist's home, office Dr. Slavit said he's done approximately 20 times for Robertson Taylor, insurance broker.

                              On Feb 4, 2009, Dr. Slavit conducted a physical on Michael Jackson in connection with a performance cancellation insurance. Bob Taylor contacted Dr Slavit somewhere in the months prior to the physical. "He basically asked if I would agree to do the physical on MJ" . "It was my understanding he was going to perform," Dr. Slavit said. "Yes, I requested to review the prior 5 years of medical records," Dr. Slavit said. He wanted to be as accurate as possible. "I'd say it's not typical," Dr. Slavit testified about getting 5 years prior of medical history, but he had done before other than MJ. Dr. Slavit said this is done if there were prior questions of medical health. "There were questions that had been raised by the broker," Dr. Slavit said. He doesn't know specifically what was asked. Dr. Slavit said insurance broker questioned MJ's breathing capacity, his pulmonary status and overall health. Q: Nothing about prior drug abuse? Dr. Slavit: Not that I recall. The doctor did not ask anything else other than 5 years medical history. He said he was not limited in MJ's examination at any time. Dr. Slavit never received any MJ's medical history, other than what the artist told him during examination.

                              The physical was done at MJ's house in Los Angeles, the doctor said. Attorney showed documents doc prepared during and after the physical. Patient's name on blood work request: Mark Jones. It's an alias, Dr. Slavit said, just to protect Michael Jackson's privacy. Q: Did you find MJ to be in great physical condition? A: Based on the information I had, yes. Note on form says "today's found Mr. Jackson to be in excellent condition." It also says MJ had allergy and a bit of cold. He was on short course of antibiotics, Dr. Slavit said, he's not on any other medication.

                              Q: Did he tell you he was taking painkillers? A: He told me he was not taking any painkillers. "He stated he was not taking any medications other than antibiotics," Dr. Slavit testified. Dr. Slavit didn't see anything that suggested MJ was not telling the truth. He didn't find any typical signs of narcotic intoxication.

                              "Dr. Conrad Murray follows Mr. Jackson on a regular basis," the form said. Dr. Slavit explained Murray was identified by Mr. Jackson as his personal physician and reported seeing him as needed. Dr. Slavit: He reported seeing him a couple of months prior to the physical just for check-up.. "It was a routine check-up," Dr. Salvit said. MJ didn't discuss the details of the visit. Other than Dr. Kantor no one else was mentioned as providing care, Dr Slavit said. Q: Did he tell you MJ said he liked Dr. Murray? A: Yes Q: Did he say he was a good doctor? A: I don't know if used that word. "That he was caring for him, that he was satisfied with the care he was getting, that's basically what he said," Dr. Slavit said.

                              Dr. Slavit's form said MJ's vital signs were normal. Heart sound was normal, no murmurs. Dr. Slavit: I assessed his pulmonary status with stethoscope, no further pulmonary test done. Q: Did you have difficulty drawing blood? A: I had a little difficulty drawing blood. He used MJ's left arm, and took the specimen himself to the laboratory. Blood work result was normal consistent with MJ being in good health.

                              Form notes MJ was mature, open and candid with Dr. Slavit. Q: Was he capable of making decisions? A: Yes. Q: Capable of control of his health? A: Yes Q: Why candid? A: That's the perception I got. Q: Was he lucid? A: Yes Q: Speech slurred? A: No Q: Tired? A: No. Q: Did he say he had trouble sleeping? A: He didn't say he had trouble sleeping, he didn't say he had insomnia.. Dr. Slavit: He denied any prior medical problem except for the cold.

                              Dr. Slavit wrote MJ was in good health, good diet and exercise. He interacted with his doctor for routine check ups. MJ visited his laryngologist for minor issues, seemed proactive and attune to his health. There was an acknowledgment of the need for rest or avoidance of exhaustion. Q: Did MJ ask you to prescribe any medication? A: No

                              Michael Jackson signed the forms. Dr. Slavit said he saw MJ sign it. At the time of the examination the form was filled out with Michael Jackson. We reviewed the form before he signed it. There are questions on the form that were filled out during the physical. Dr. Slavit said MJ was the only source of the responses. Q: Was there any significant change of weight? A: No The question regarding excessive use of drugs or alcohol was circled 'no'. MJ told Dr. Slavit he was last examined a couple of months prior for routine. Dr. Murray was identified as personal physician. When asked if he felt in good physical condition, Dr. Slavit said MJ responded yes. "That was his answer." Temperature was 98 degrees. Weight: 127 lbs - MJ told him that's what he weighed. Q: Based on your examination, it appeared accurate? A: Yes . Height was self reported also. He told Dr. Slavit he was 5 foot 9. Dr. Slavit received full payment for the physical on Michael Jackson. Q: Did you notice any track mark on MJ when you examined him? A: There were none Q: Did you look his arms? A: Yes Q: His legs? A: Yes. "In the course of reviewing his past medical history there were no surgeries reported," Dr. Slavit said.

                              Dr. Slavit gave copy of the record to the Coroner pursuant to legal subpoena. Feb 2009 was the only time Dr. Slavit talked to MJ.

                              Dr. Slavit charges: $6,000 for service $3,000 lab and supply $5,849 for travel and hotel . Dr. Slavit: My understanding my job was to find out if he was able physically to perform. "I was never provided records," Dr. Slavit said. He never contacted Dr. Murray directly to get medical record. "I would require permission from MJ to do that (test for opiates or drugs)," Dr. Slavit said. There was no need at the time to test him.

                              Dr. Slavit had been working with Bob Taylor for about 10 years prior to doing physical with MJ. Q: Did Mr. Taylor tell you MJ was being badly mauled in the press in England and that it was getting difficult to obtain insurance? A: No. Dr. Slavit did not know where the rumors came from.
                              Q: Was it clear to you that MJ had plastic surgery? A: Yes.
                              Dr. Slavit said he examined inside MJ's nose and how it looked.
                              Q: And did it look ok? A: Yes. Dr. Slavit was at MJ's house between 2.5 and 3 hours for the physical.
                              Q: If you had any suspicion that MJ was using opioids or other drugs improperly, you'd you have tested him? A: I may have.
                              Q: Did Mr. Jackson deny anything you requested of him? A: No


                              Zusammenfassung von Ivy, MJJC #73

                              __________________________________________

                              Zusammenfassungen der vorangegangenen gerichtstage:
                              Day 1 - 50
                              Day 51 - zeuge Dr. Emery Brown Video Deposition; zeuge Peter Formuzis
                              Day 52 - zeugin Katherine Jackson
                              Day 53 - forts. zeugin K. Jackson; AEG-zeuge John Meglen
                              Day 54 - forts. AEG-zeuge Meglen
                              Day 55 - zeugen J. Meglen; Dr. Alimorad Farshchian Video Deposition
                              Day 56 - zeuge David Fournier
                              Day 57 - zeugen Dr. Scott Saunders per video depo.; Eric Briggs
                              Day 58 - zeuge Eric Briggs
                              Day 59 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                              Day 60 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                              Day 61 - forts. zeuge Briggs; zeuge Michael LaPerruque
                              Day 62 - forts. zeuge Michael LaPerruque; zeuge Eric Briggs; Timm Wooley video deposition
                              Day 63 - zeugin Kathleen Ann Jorrie
                              Day 64 - forts. zeugin Kathy Jorrie
                              Day 65 - zeuge Kenny Ortega
                              Day 66 - zeugin Kathy Jorrie; Randy Jackson Video Depo.
                              Day 67 - zeuge William Ackerman
                              Day 68 - forts. W. Ackerman
                              Day 69 - zeugin Debbie Rowe

                              Exklusiv transcripts eröffnungsstatements u.a. (MJJC #1 ff.)

                              Zeugenaussage von Prince Michael Jackson Jr.; exklusiv transcripts von MJJC # 7

                              Deposition transcripts filed with the court.
                              Note : these are not the full depositions, they are only the portions played in the court.

                              Dr. Stuart Finkelstein Deposition video transcript
                              Dr. Earley Deposition video transcript
                              Tim Leiweke Deposition video transcript
                              Randy Phillips Deposition video transcript
                              Quelle Ivy, MJJC #50

                              Kommentar


                              • Jacksons vs AEG - Day 71 – August 16 2013 – Summary

                                In addition to testimony, one development this morning was that the plaintiff's rested their case. Attorney Brian Panish didn't want to but Judge Yvette Palazuelos told him she would tell the jury the plaintiff's case was done if he didn't. The judge said it didn't foreclose Panish from calling additional witnesses during his rebuttal case. Plaintiff's resting will allow for argument on an AEG motion to dismiss the case at some point. No word on when those arguments will happen. Panish told the jury that the plaintiff's case officially ended after Kenny Ortega's testimony was done. Judge called it a "formality." (AP) After jury entered the room, plaintiffs attorney Brian Panish announced he has rested their case in chief, subject to conclusion with Ortega


                                Dr. Gary Green Testimony


                                (Source : ABC7)


                                AEG direct



                                Attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina is doing direct examination.

                                Dr. Green is a doctor board certified in internal medicine and sports medicine. He's currently the head team physician for Pepperdine University and is the medical director performance enhancement drugs for MLB. He oversees medical care of athletes both in minor and major leagues of baseball, also sees general students at Pepperdine, not just athletes. The doctor conducts research on behalf of MLB at UCLA pathology department regarding enhancement drug use. He's also a clinical professor at UCLA and a partner at primary care group, sees general patients as well. Dr. Green is the team physician for the US Soccer team and Pepperdine, worked in Olympic Games of 2002, MLB, NCAA, was UCLA team physician.

                                Dr Green said sports medicine is somewhat like regular medicine. "Doctors should do no harm; doctors should do what's best for the patient" He said he always wanted to be a family doctor and treat patients for all their lives. Dr. Green said before athletes know what medical problem they have, they want to know when they can play next.

                                Dr. Green said he has similar or greater experience that Dr. Gordon Matheson, since Dr. Matheson doesn't have private practice. Dr. Matheson testified earlier in the trial on behalf of plaintiffs.

                                Dr. Green worked with O'Melveny & Myers before in a case involving Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. The expert said he was surprise being called in this case, since it has nothing to do with athletes. Dr. Green reviewed extensive material, deposition and trial testimony in this case. The doctor said he spent about 115 hours in this case, bills $500 per hour. He said he's billed approximately $20,000 to $25,000 up-to-date. There will be about $25,000 to $30,000 to be billed, total approximately $50,000.

                                Bina asked if he agrees with Dr. Matheson this is a conflict of interest case. "I disagree with Dr. Matheson completely," Dr. Green said.

                                Dr. Green's opinion:
                                1- Sports medicine is the wrong analogy
                                2- Facts don't support conflict of interest alleged by Dr. Matheson
                                3- Conflict of interest alleged did not lead to poor medical care
                                4- Dr. Matheson disregarded key principles to reach his conclusions

                                Dr. Green said this case is much closer to regular doctor-patient medicine than sports medicine. Doctors have ethical obligation to do no harm to the patient," he said. "There's conflict of interest on a daily basis between doc/patient" Dr. Green said through experience doctors learn very quickly how to manage conflicts and have the patient's best interest first.

                                1- Sports Medicine is the Wrong Analogy

                                A: Who selects doctor?
                                Team Sports: Team/School
                                Primary Care Practice: Patient
                                This Case: Patient

                                Dr. Green said in team sports, the team or school chooses the doctor. In primary care practice and in this case, MJ chose the doctor. "In my private practice, I'm selected by the patient." Dr. Green said. "They choose whether they want to come see me or not." Dr. Green: MJ brought Dr. Murray to the attention of AEG Live and MJ insisted to bring the doctor on tour. At one point, AEG explored other options and MJ wanted his physician, Dr. Green testified. The expert said there's no evidence Dr. Murray has been asked to treat anyone else but MJ and perhaps the children.

                                Doc said in team sports player, coach, team, public have the right to information from doctor. In private practice/this case only patient. Dr. Murray was not allowed to share any information wit AEG Live or anyone else, the doctor testified. There's no release form to share info.

                                Dr Green said plaintiffs hired Dr Matheson to say that this was a sports medicine analogy. "It's just not the correct analysis in this case" Dr. Green said one of the articles Dr. Matheson used is entitled "The Unique Aspects of Sports Medicine," and this is not the same. Dr. Green explained the Jackson family claim there was conflict between AEG and Murray to influence the type of medical care used with MJ.

                                Dr. Green explained that in order for conflict of interest to exist, each party had to have different interests. "MJ wanted to remain healthy to do the tour," he said. "Dr. Murray wanted MJ to be healthy, it's his ethical obligation and he wanted him to complete the tour," he said. "AEG Live needed a healthy MJ to be in good health, this was a long tour," he expressed. Bina: If there were no tour, do you have any reason to believe Dr. Murray would be paid $150,000 a month? Dr. Green: No, I do not. "It was Dr. Murray's interest to keep MJ healthy to have him perform the shows," Dr. Green opined.


                                2- Facts Don't Support Alleged Conflicts

                                - Health interests of MJ, Dr. Murray and AEG Live were aligned
                                - - No secret arrangement
                                - Jackson requested Dr. Murray
                                - Dr. Murray demonstrated independence from AEG Live
                                ---- Advised MJ not to go to rehearsal
                                ---- Told tour personnel to "stay in their lane"
                                ---- Refused to provide medical records to insurers
                                ---- Requested contract changes to increase independence
                                - Evidence does not support claim that AEG Live directed medical care
                                - Timing of contract drafts doesn't support Matheson's claims

                                "There's no secret arrangement," Dr. Green said. "In this situation, everything was out in the open." Dr. Green: It was to be signed by Dr. Murray, MJ and AEG Live. There was nothing hidden. Dr. Green: Dr. Murray knew AEG Live would be advancing the money on behalf of MJ, MJ knew AEG would advance the money. "That was selected by Michael Jackson," Dr. Green opined. "There was no secrecy, he requested Dr. Murray to go on tour." "If there was any secrecy was between Murray and MJ," Dr. Green opined. "There's no evidence AEG was aware Murray was giving MJ Propofol." "AEG was not controlling Dr. Murray," Dr. Green said. "He acted independently from AEG." "If Dr. Murray were taking orders from AEG Live, he'd not have told people to stay in their lane," Dr. Green opined. Dr. Green said Dr. Murray refused to provide his own medical records of MJ to insurers. MJ denied releasing the medical history. The expert said Dr. Murray requested Kathy Jorrie to change the contract to have more independence. "He asked to keep money for the entire money should he be discharged mid-month," Dr. Green testified. Dr. Green pointed out Dr. Murray asked to change the contract to limit him to perform services requested by artist, not producer. "I believe that it further demonstrates Dr. Murray's independence from AEG Live."

                                Dr. Green said that it's not unusual for family/friends to call him to talk about a patient he's about to see. He said family/friends may tell him things that the patient wouldn't. The expert said that in all the meetings, there were several people present, which supports the fact there was no secrecy.

                                First draft of the contract was June 16. "Dr. Murray's behavior in this case and care to MJ began way before that," Dr. Green explained. "If Dr. Matheson is correct and terms of contract influenced Murray's behavior, he started treating him way before contract draft" he said “There's no evidence of Michael Jackson use of Propofol to AEG," Dr. Green opined. Timeline per Dr. Green: 2006 -- Dr Murray begins treating Jackson family January 2009 -- Dr. Murray treated Prince and Michael in LA. Dr. Green: MJ had a physical in 2009 with Dr. Slavit. He asked who was his personal physician and MJ said Dr. Murray. Kai Chase testified Dr. Murray was frequently at Carolwood house in April, May and June 2009. On April 6, 2009, Dr. Murray ordered Propofol to be shipped to LA, the expert said. Dr. Green pointed out that all of that happened before AEG Live had any knowledge of Dr. Murray. Dr. Green: I think it's very clear the relationship of Murray-MJ pre-date AEG being involved. Furthermore, his use of Propofol pre-dates AEG. Dr. Murray re-ordered Propofol on April 28, 2009, Dr. Green said.

                                "Not only do I disagree with Dr. Matheson's conclusion but the manner of which he came to his conclusion," Dr. Green said. "Patients and competent adults have the right to choose their own physician," Dr. Green testified. "In this case, MJ chose Dr. Murray as his own physician and wanted him to go on tour," Dr. Green opined. Dr. Green: AEG Live looked at other possibilities and in response MJ, a competent adult, said no, I want my own doctor. "Continuity of care is a very important principle," Dr. Green explain. That way the doctor knows the history of the patient. Dr. Green said Dr. Matheson wanted AEG to go around MJ and find another physician for him.

                                Dr. Green: Physician's duty to the patient is paramount, and that's the number one priority and what doctors should always be concerned. "Physicians are under the obligation, regarding any interest, to put their patients first," Dr. Green expressed. Dr. Green said Dr. Murray disregarded the Hippocratic oath, standard of care and probably violated prescribing rules.



                                Jackson cross



                                Jacksons' attorney William Bloss did cross examination.

                                Bloss: Would you agree large incentives can create conflict of interest? Dr. Green: Yes, financial incentive can create conflict of interest. "Regardless financial incentive, it does not take away from physician's obligation to the patient," Dr. Green explained.

                                Code of Ethics of American Medical Association. Bloss showed opinion of "Financial Incentives and the Practice of Medicine." a) Large incentives may create conflict of interest that can in turn compromise clinical objectivity. AMA says: "It's important to recognize that sufficient large incentives can create an untenable position for physicians."

                                "Financial rewards do not obligate physicians to compromise their medical judgment," Dr. Green opined.

                                Bloss: Is $150,000 a month a large incentive? Dr. Green: It depends on the situation. Bloss asked how about a doctor whose house is about to go on foreclosure, $600,000 in outstanding debt, behind child support payment? "I'm sure many doctors have great deal of debt, possibly more than that, and still practice medicine in an ethical manner," Dr Green said

                                Bloss showed Kai Chase's testimony, where she said she didn't see Dr. Murray as much in April, was there about 3 times a week. Dr. Green said he was not accurate when he mentioned Chase said Dr. Murray was at Carolwood in March of 2009.

                                Dr. Green said on April 19, 2009, Dr. Metzger went to Carolwood to meet MJ. He said MJ asked for sleep medication. Bloss: Do you recall MJ asked Cherilyn Lee to give him sleep aid? I don't recall dates, need to see the testimony. Bloss: If a nurse says there were no equipments at the house 4 Murray to inject MJ w/ Propofol on Apr19 is that inconsistent? Dr. Green: No. Bloss: Do you have information MJ was seeking Propofol from people other than Dr. Murray? Dr. Green: Yes, Dr. Metzger and Cherilyn Lee. On Apr 19, MJ asked Cherilyn Lee to find someone to give him Propofol, Bloss said. He asked if it'd be consistent w/ Murray there same day. Dr. Green: We see addicts and they go to multiple sources, I could only speculate why MJ was seeking Propofol from more than one person. "It's not inconsistent somebody seeking drugs from several sources" Dr Green said. "Particularly with that drug which wasn't easy to obtain"

                                Bloss: Was Dr. Murray giving MJ Propofol on April 19th and 12th at Carolwood? Dr. Green: Yes. Dr. Green said he cannot testify to the exact date because Dr. Murray kept no records to maintain it secretive.

                                Dr. Green charges AEG $3,000 per half day of work, $6,000 for full day.

                                Bloss showed email from Ortega to Gongaware on Jun 14, 2009 saying "Are you aware MJ's doctor didn't permit him to attend rehearsals today?" "This just shows Dr. Murray independence to advise MJ not to attend rehearsal," Dr. Green said. Email from Gongaware: "We want to remind him that it's AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary." Dr. Green said the best person to ask about this email is who wrote it/received it. Since he's neither, it'd speculation to interpret it. "I believe Mr. Gongaware didn't recall this email," Dr. Green said. "Mr. Ortega said he didn't understand what it meant." Bloss: Is this email material to your opinion? Dr. Green: Yes, I feel that it supports my opinion. Bloss: Even the part that says "AEG, not MJ, paying his salary?" Dr. Green: Yes. Dr. Green said in his deposition that nothing in the email supported his opinion. He said he testified differently at deposition. Bloss asked in deposition whether "AEG, not MJ, paying his salary" email did not influence his opinion, correct? "Yes," Dr. Green responded. Dr. Green: Now that I responded differently is because I had additional information. Dr. Green: One is Mr. Gongaware's testimony, and further reviewed evidence this was never communicated to Dr. Murray. "The fact that it was never communicated to Dr. Murray let me believe it was not influencing," Dr. Green explained. Dr. Green said he doesn't believe either Gongaware or anyone else at AEG told Dr. Murray "it's AEG, not MJ, who's paying his salary." "You need to look at the context of this email, you can't just pull out a word here or there," Dr. Green said. Bloss asked if "we want him to understand what's expected of him" mention in the email influenced his opinion. "No, it would not sway my opinion one way or the other," Dr. Green said. Dr. Green said he did not ask to meet with Gongaware or Phillips to try to get more information about the email and their intent.

                                Bloss asked about the meeting at Carolwood's house on June 16, 2009, which they called "intervention." He asked if Chase said Dr. Murray bursted out of the meeting and said "I can't take this s**t anymore." "I read the testimony of of Ms. Chase and that was her perception," Dr. Green said. Mr. Gongaware had a much different account of the meeting than what Chase testified, Bloss said. Dr. Green said Chase wasn't present for the entire meeting, but Gongaware was. He would give a little more weight to Gongaware since he was present for the full meeting. "Assuming that Chase's recollection is correct, I think there are many interpretations of Dr. Murray's outburst," Dr. Green said. Bloss asked if it could be that Dr. Murray was feeling pressured by AEG. Dr. Green: It could be that Dr. Murray could be feeling pressured he was giving unethical and illegal drugs. "That certainly could create pressure in Dr. Murray to make an outburst like that," Dr. Green said. "There was nothing to suggest in the meeting that Dr. Murray was in danger of losing the gig." Dr. Green said.

                                Dr. Green didn't receive the "Trouble at the Front" email chain until after he was involved in the case. Bloss showed Bugzee's email saying MJ was basket case. "Only information that MJ was not in good health on June 19," Dr Green said about it. "Dr. Murray wasn't keeping records at this time, but I believe MJ was under his care," Dr. Green said. Bloss showed the email where Ortega said "now that we brought the doctor in to the fold." Dr. Green said this email showed Ortega was concerned with MJ's health. He doesn't know what the director meant by "doctor in to the fold." Bloss: Because you didn't understand what this meant, this email didn't influence you, correct? "I think you have to put this entire thing in context and the context is that he was concerned with Mr. Jackson's health" Dr Green explained. Dr. Green said several people raised questions about MJ's psychological situation.

                                Dr. Green said he believes Dr. Murray was board certified but it had lapsed in 2008. Murray does not have psychiatry training.

                                Bloss talked about the lengthy conversation Randy Phillips with Dr. Murray. He asked if he knew for sure what they talked about. He said no. Bloss asked about another Phillips' email.

                                Panish laughed out loud when Dr. Green responded he recalls testimony but preferred reading again. Judge called Panish out, he apologized. Judge ordered all the attorneys in her chambers for quick sidebar. Back in the courtroom in front of jury: Panish: Your honor, I'd like to apologize to Dr. Green for that laugh. Dr. Green: Apologies accepted. Panish: I'm sincerely sorry Dr. Green: No harm, no foul

                                Bloss talked about "this doctor is extremely successful, we checked him out." Dr. Green said he thought Phillips meant that based on Kathy Jorrie's testimony regarding the check she did.

                                "I do not see anything to change my opinion of conflict of interest in this case," Dr. Green said. Bloss showed another part of the "Trouble at the Front" email with Phillips saying "Tim and I are going to see him tomorrow." Bloss asked if that statement was material to his opinion. "Only that AEG was concerned about what was going on and were doing something about it," Dr. Green said.

                                Dr. Green said he considered all the evidence in the case, since everything is important. Dr. Green sad he's not sure what Phillips meant when he asked "is it chemical or physiological." "I can only speculate."

                                Dr Green said he was asked to analyze if this is a sports medicine case and whether or not conflict of interest led to his poor medical care

                                ---------------------------------

                                Judge adjourned trial. Attorneys ordered back at 10:45 am PT on Monday, jurors at 1:30 pm PT. Dr. Green returns then.


                                Zusammenfassung von Ivy, MJJC #74


                                __________________________________________

                                Zusammenfassungen der vorangegangenen gerichtstage:
                                Day 1 - 50
                                Day 51 - 70
                                Day 71 - zeuge Dr. Gary Green
                                Day 51 - zeuge Dr. Emery Brown Video Deposition; zeuge Peter Formuzis
                                Day 52 - zeugin Katherine Jackson
                                Day 53 - forts. zeugin K. Jackson; AEG-zeuge John Meglen
                                Day 54 - forts. AEG-zeuge Meglen
                                Day 55 - zeugen J. Meglen; Dr. Alimorad Farshchian Video Deposition
                                Day 56 - zeuge David Fournier
                                Day 57 - zeugen Dr. Scott Saunders per video depo.; Eric Briggs
                                Day 58 - zeuge Eric Briggs
                                Day 59 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                                Day 60 - forts. zeuge Briggs
                                Day 61 - forts. zeuge Briggs; zeuge Michael LaPerruque
                                Day 62 - forts. zeuge Michael LaPerruque; zeuge Eric Briggs; Timm Wooley video deposition
                                Day 63 - zeugin Kathleen Ann Jorrie
                                Day 64 - forts. zeugin Kathy Jorrie
                                Day 65 - zeuge Kenny Ortega
                                Day 66 - zeugin Kathy Jorrie; Randy Jackson Video Depo.
                                Day 67 - zeuge William Ackerman
                                Day 68 - forts. W. Ackerman
                                Day 69 - zeugin Debbie Rowe
                                Day 70 - forts. zeugin D. Rowe; David Slavit Video Deposition

                                Exklusiv transcripts eröffnungsstatements u.a. (MJJC #1 ff.)

                                Zeugenaussage von Prince Michael Jackson Jr.; exklusiv transcripts von MJJC # 7

                                Deposition transcripts filed with the court.
                                Note : these are not the full depositions, they are only the portions played in the court.

                                Dr. Stuart Finkelstein Deposition video transcript
                                Dr. Earley Deposition video transcript
                                Tim Leiweke Deposition video transcript
                                Randy Phillips Deposition video transcript
                                Quelle Ivy, MJJC #50
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