Anklage gegen Murray und AEG durch Joe Jackson

[Christine3110]

sicher haben sie dafür nen Haufen Kohle bezahlt.
AEG stellt den Antrag mindestens 50.000 $ Strafe zu verhängen.

Und ich denke mal, diese ganzen Unterlagen werden dann auch nicht mehr als Beweismaterial in einem evtl. Prozeß zugelassen.
Wie blöd kann man eigentlich sein?!

Vllt. aber weiß das Katherine Lager auch, dass sie diesen Prozeß nicht gewinnen können u. versuchen es nun auf diese schäbige Art .... alles ist möglich.

Angeschissen ist in dieser Sache mal wieder nur einer ... Michael.




WOW
Alan Duke von CNN hat getwittert, er wird in Kürze den Namen desjenigen nennen, der Dokumente geleakt haben.
Er habe sich freiwillig u. offiziell dazu geäußert.

[Lena]

Howard Mann sagt, dass er die Quelle des Leaks ist, aber er habe die Dokumente von verschiedensten Quellen und keine davon wäre die Jackson-Familie.

Sorry, aber wer soll das glauben?

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/06/showbiz/michael-jackson-leak/index.html

Source of leaked Michael Jackson e-mails identified

By Alan Duke, CNN
September 6, 2012 -- Updated 0855 GMT (1655 HKT)

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Dramatic e-mails about Michael Jackson's condition before his death were leaked to a reporter by a businessman who just settled a copyright lawsuit with Jackson's estate, that businessman told CNN.
The admission by Howard Mann that he provided the controversial documents to the Los Angeles Times contradicts a claim by lawyers for concert promoter AEG Live that they have "unequivocal evidence" showing that Jackson's mother and her lawyers leaked the e-mails.
The source of the leak is crucial to the wrongful death lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson and the late pop star's three children since the judge in the case ordered the documents sealed.
AEG's lawyers filed a motion Monday asking the judge to impose tough sanctions on the Jacksons, including fines and preventing them from using the e-mails as evidence in their effort to prove the promoter contributed to Jackson's death as he prepared for comeback concerts in 2009.
AEG did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment about Mann's claim of responsibility for the leak.
"We were able to learn today that apparently Howard Mann has admitted that he was the source, and that he definitely never received any documents from Katherine, Prince, Paris, or Blanket Jackson, nor from their lawyers in the wrongful death suit against AEG," said Jackson lawyer Kevin Boyle.
Boyle criticized AEG's lawyers for their haste in pointing the finger at the Jacksons.
"AEG made these accusations against the Jackson family and their lawyers apparently without doing even the most rudimentary investigation," Boyle said. "We are further disturbed that the motion for sanctions filed by AEG was given to the press before it was served on Katherine Jackson or her counsel."
If the AEG lawyers had reached out to the Jackson lawyers earlier, they could have helped solve the mystery of the leaked documents, he said.
"AEG has known about the alleged leak since a week before the article was published," Boyle said. "AEG never contacted the Jackson's counsel to inquire about the article or the documents."
The e-mails revealed the promoter for Jackson's "This Is It" concerts expressed doubts about the star's ability to be ready for the shows but expressed confidence in the private doctor eventually convicted in Jackson's death.
AEG Live President Randy Phillips was responding to show director Kenny Ortega's e-mail, which said Jackson had "strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior" and suggesting they hire a "top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."
Jackson died on June 25, 2009, from what the Los Angeles County coroner ruled was an overdose of a surgical anesthetic and sedatives, drugs that Dr. Conrad Murray told police he used to help the entertainer sleep as he prepared for the concerts set to start two weeks later.
Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to four years in prison last year.
Mann, who once partnered with Katherine Jackson on a book and documentary about her family, said he obtained the documents from various sources, but none of them came from the Jacksons or their lawyers.
He gave them to reporter Harriet Ryan because he wanted the story of Jackson's death to be told, Mann said. Mann's company settled a copyright dispute with Jackson's estate over use of Jackson's images this week.
Ryan, who kept the source of the documents secret in her story, did not immediately respond to CNN requests for comment on Mann's claim that he gave them to her.
AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam went on a public relations and legal offensive against Katherine Jackson and her lawyers this week in response to Ryan's article and the subsequent stories by other news outlets, including CNN.
"AEG believes the unequivocal evidence shows that Katherine Jackson and her attorneys leaked these documents to the press," he said in a statement to CNN. "The documents released to the press were given to Mrs. Jackson and her attorneys -- and to no one else -- confidentially in discovery and subject to a court order."
But Mann said he got the e-mails from several sources, including Jackson fans who contacted him. Some of the documents were part of discovery in other cases, including the criminal trial of Dr. Murray, he said.
Boyle, the Jackson lawyer, also told CNN that other parties had the same documents, including lawyers involved in an ongoing insurance case against AEG.
Lloyds of London seeks to void a $17.5 million policy that AEG purchased in case Jackson was not able to perform the 50 shows scheduled for London's O2 Arena. The insurer contends AEG hid Jackson's health problems and failed to respond to repeated requests for his medical history.
"Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson and their lawyers deny AEG's allegations that we gave any protected documents to the press," Boyle said.
The documents made public in the Los Angeles Times story are not the most damaging to AEG that were uncovered, Boyle said.
"We can assure you that we are in possession of documents that make for an extremely compelling story in the wrongful death case, and that completely support the plaintiffs' claims," he said.
AEG Live's president called Jackson's death "a terrible tragedy" in an e-mail weeks after he died, he added "but life must go on."
"AEG will make a fortune from merch sales, ticket retention, the touring exhibition and the film/dvd," Phillips wrote. In fact, AEG Live was allowed to sell Jackson tour merchandise and share in the profits from the documentary "This Is It," produced from rehearsal video.
The e-mails suggest AEG Live's president saw Jackson's problems first hand the day the pop star was to appear at the O2 Arena to publicly announce the shows.
"MJ is locked in his room drunk and despondent," Phillips wrote in a March 5, 2009, e-mail to AEG Live's parent company, the paper reported. "I (am) trying to sober him up."
"I screamed at him so loud the walls are shaking," Phillips wrote. "He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self loathing and doubt now that it is show time."
The promoter blamed London traffic when Jackson was 90 minutes late for the announcement that day.
"He's as healthy as he can be -- no health problems whatsoever," Phillips told CNN two months later to refute reports Jackson's health was threatening the concerts.
The Los Angeles Times story, however, said the e-mails indicated major doubts about Jackson's ability to perform.
"We cannot be forced into stopping this, which MJ will try to do because he is lazy and constantly changes his mind to fit his immediate wants," AEG Live executive Paul Gongaware e-mailed to Phillips.
Jackson's missed rehearsals in June triggered concerns in e-mails that he was slow in learning his dance routines and would have to lip-sync on stage, the newspaper reported.
"MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time," one e-mail from the show's music director read, the paper reported.
A production manager wrote: "He was a basket case. Doubt is pervasive."
A loud warning from Ortega, who worked closely with Jackson on previous tours, came in mid-June, just over a week before his death.
"It is like there are two people there. One (deep inside) trying to hold on to what he was and still can be and not wanting us to quit him, the other in this weakened and troubled state," Ortega wrote. "I believe we need professional guidance in this matter."
Ortega testified at Murray's trial about his concerns about Jackson's frail condition and missed rehearsals. It resulted in a meeting six days before Jackson's death in which Murray assured the promoters he would have Jackson ready for rehearsals that next week.
An e-mail from Phillips after that meeting said he had confidence in Murray "who I am gaining immense respect for as I get to deal with him more."
"This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig, so he (is) totally unbiased and ethical," Phillips' e-mail said.
The correspondence could play a role in the wrongful death lawsuit, which accuses the promoter of contributing to his death by pressuring him to prepare for the concerts despite his weak condition.

[Christine3110]

holy shit

und ich dachte es sei Branca gewesen

But Mann said he got the e-mails from several sources, including Jackson fans who contacted him. Some of the documents were part of discovery in other cases, including the criminal trial of Dr. Murray, he said.

[Lena]

Zitat Christine:
But Mann said he got the e-mails from several sources, including Jackson fans who contacted him. Some of the documents were part of discovery in other cases, including the criminal trial of Dr. Murray, he said.



Womit Mann ja formal vielleicht die Wahrheit sagt, aber der Fan hat dann auch seine Quellen. 250 Seiten vertrauliche Dokumente kommen ja nicht aus der Luft. Und die Schiene Randy Jackson zu Taj Malnik zu Howard Mann zu LA-Times ist in der Gedankenwelt der Jackson Familie sicherlich ein genialer Schachzug, den niemand rückverfolgen kann.


"We were able to learn today that apparently Howard Mann has admitted that he was the source, and that he definitely never received any documents from Katherine, Prince, Paris, or Blanket Jackson, nor from their lawyers in the wrongful death suit against AEG," said Jackson lawyer Kevin Boyle.

Hat Kathrine`s Anwältin sie eigentlich noch alle in dem Zusammenhang Paris, Prince u. Blankt zu nennen. Aber wiederm interessant, dass sie nicht Michael`s Geschwister für den Leak ausschließt.

[Christine3110]

das ist alles so deppert , dass ich schon wieder drüber lachen kann.

Sie glauben im Ernst, dadurch, dass HM alles auf sich nimmt, seien sie aus dem Schneider.
HM + Katherine sind offizielle Geschäftspartner...und da will der Depp der Welt weißmachen, er hätte Dokumente, die NUR an Katherine gingen, von jemand anderem.
Und wie du sagst Lena, selbst WENN er sie von der reizenden Mrs. Malik oder sonst wem hätte, die Ursprungquelle ist IMMER Katherine/bzw. ihre Anwälte

Also, netter Versuch...bringt nur nix....weitermachen.


Dass die Kids genannt werden, hat wohl damit zu tun, dass sie ja neben Katherine offizielle Ankläger gg. AEG sind.
Sie wurden ja auch mit Katherine in dem AEG Antrag benannt. Rechtlich ok.


Naja, ich hoffe der Richter leitet eine Untersuchung ein u. lädt diese Harriet Ryan vor.
Kann man eigentl. einen Reporter zwingen seine Quelle bekanntzugeben?

[Jerk]

ich finds einfach nur lächerlich...

[Dreamerdancer]

Man denkt immer, schlimmer wirds nimmer, aber hier wird einem das Gegenteil vorgeführt.Haben sie dem H. Mann ins Gehirn gesch.....?

[rip.michael]

... man stelle sich das mal vor:

H. Mann hat sich nun an die spitze des eisbergs gestellt, hat sich quasi geopfert ...
Ich denke mal, ihm hat man das 'opfer' doch auch sicherlich schmackhaft gemacht ... mit ein 'paar' dollars ...
Wer bekleckert schon freiwillig seinen ruf mit einer solchen aktion?

Der käufer des documentenpakets hat kassiert dafür ...

Die strafandrohung für den ganzen act lautet 50.000 $ ...

Ich gehe davon aus (... selbst wenn noch eine station dazwischen lag "fans" u.a. - BTW welcher art fans sind denn da gemeint, es können fans von hund-katze-maus sein, jedoch bestimmt keine MJ-fans ... ) dass Katherine dahinter steckt. Warum sonst kommt wohl 'freiwilig' mit ein bisschen medialem anschub das bekenntnis von Howard Mann?

Selbst wenn die version der schuld so stehen bleibt und H. Mann die geldstrafe zahlen muss, ich vermute, dass er sich an Katherine schadlos halten wird. Das schmiergeld für das ganze hat er eh schon im sack.
Und wo kriegt Katherine schliesslich die kohle her??
Desgleichen mit der kohle für den käufer des materials ...

Bei der vorstellung, dass alle auflaufenden prozess/anwaltskosten, die Katherine zahlen hat - alles geht letztlich aus dem säckl des MJ estate ...

Auuuuuweia ..

[BlaueBlume]

Man denkt immer, schlimmer wirds nimmer, aber hier wird einem das Gegenteil vorgeführt.Haben sie dem H. Mann ins Gehirn gesch.....?

ich glaube nicht, das dort für noch mehr Sch .... Platz war .........

[Dreamerdancer]

Das ist mir auch durch den Kopf gegangen, wenn Strafe gezahlt wird, wo kommt das Geld her? Von Michaels Erbe, da geht mir doch das Messer in der Tasche auf. Das ganze Ding stinkt zum Himmel, von wegen Mann hat das alles eingefädelt,die müssen doch denken, wir sind alle mit dem Klammerbeutel gepudert.

hier noch getwittertes von Ivy, von unten nach oben lesen


Ivy @Ivy_4MJ
Comment: "I'm positive RANDY is the person responsible& has sold the disposable Mann w/ promises of riches once AEG cuts them a huge check."
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Comment: "Howard Mann is the Jackson's NEW Brian Oxman, without the law license"
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1h Ivy @Ivy_4MJ
Comment: "they made it very easy for AEG ,they can't get any more stupid than this."
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Comment: "it would have been wiser of them to counter attack & accuse AEG of the leak themselves instead of admitting Mann was responsible"
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1h Ivy @Ivy_4MJ
Comment: "randy - taaj - mann seems pretty plausible . frankly they should have said the tooth fairy leaked them its more believable.
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Comment: "How the hell fans gets their hands on them, unless Randy gave them to TM, and that looney sent them to LATimes."
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Comment: "Various sources! These are not some documents hanging around to be collected, these were legal docs marked confidential!"
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"Picking Mann as "fall guy" was pretty foolish. Pick someone that isn't so well known for being the family's go to guy for shady dealings!"


Dirty Yana @mjYanaGirl
No one else have access to those "confidential" court documents but KJ and her lawyers who ALSO represent Randy. Fans DO NOT HAVE ACCESS!
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[Christine3110]

update


"CNN has learned from a lawyer for an insurance company embroiled in a lawsuit with AEG that Mann approached him several weeks ago offering the same documents to help their case against the promoter. The company declined to follow up since they did not know their authenticity, attorney Paul Schrieffer said.

Mann alerted the lawyer Saturday that the e-mails would be published in the newspaper Sunday, Schrieffer said. "The first time we saw these documents was in the Los Angeles Times article."

The existence of the e-mails, which were not turned over to the insurance company during the discovery phase of the case, have complicated AEG's effort to prevent a court from voiding the $17.5 million policy that AEG purchased through Lloyds of London, he said."

Ein Anwalt von Lloyds in London hat CNN bestätigt, dass H. Mann ihnen vor einigen Wochen die gleichen Dokumente angeboten habe, angebl. um ihnen bei ihrer Klage gegen den Veranstalter helfen zu wollen.
Man habe abgelehnt, da man mißtrauisch war u. sich nicht über deren Echtheit sicher sein konnte, sagte Anwalt Paul Schrieffer.
Mann informierte den Anwalt am Samstag, dass die emails sonntags in der Zeitung erscheinen würden.
Schrieffer sagte: Das erste Mal , dass wir die emails sahen, war in der LA Times.

[Lena]

AEG wird heute Howard Mann vernehmen um ihn unter Eid zu fragen woher er die E-Mails erhielt.

Alan Duke @AlanDukeCNN 2 Std.
AEG subpoenaed Howard Mann today to ask him under oath where he got those e-mails. Stayed tuned.

[rip.michael]

... klar, es könnte auch die zahnfee gewesen sein .. ... Ivy liegt da wahrscheinlich völlig richtig .

Wie wat? AEG vernimmt? Sind die jetzt der verlängerte arm des gerichts, dass sie dritte vorladen unter eid vernehmen können ... ?
*pillengegenhaarspaltereisucht*

[Christine3110]

Zitat aus dem glorreichen Brief ans Estate:

However, you did not hesitate writing a letter to Judge Palazuelos presiding over the AEG wrongful death case, wherein, you asked the judge to keep ALL documents handed over by AEG for discover under court seal, clearly protecting AEG, but not protecting our mother nor our niece and nephews Paris, Prince and Blanket. Who are you working for? What is it that you don’t want to be known?"

na da stehts ja, der Grund des Übels.
John Branca hatte bei Gericht beantragt, dass diese emails, u.a., versiegelt werden.
Das hat den lieben Geschwistern scheints mordsgestunken...so hat mans nun auf diese Weise an die Öffentlichkeit gebracht.

Trotzdem danke Mr. Branca, dass sie es wenigstens versucht haben, Michaels Privatsphäre schützen, und das zu verhindern was nun leider doch geschehen ist.



Edit: muss mich korrigieren, es ging damals um die Krankenakten von Michael, die Mr. Branca nicht veröffentlicht sehen wollte.
Von daher ist der Vorwurf im o.g. Brief schonmal falsch, dass Branca sich in die Jacksonklage gg. AEG einmische u. AEG schützen wolle.

[cori79]

ich glaube nicht das Mr. Branca an den Schutz von Michaels Privatsphäre interessiert ist.( zumindest nicht an erster Stelle) Meiner Meinung nach tut er es aus anderen Gründen. ist meine Meinung dazu