Handwritten Notes

[Denker]

Hallo,
ich bin neu hier und grüße Euch alle.
Mein erstes Thema: Gibt es eine Liste aller bekannten handegeschriebenen Notizen von Michael Jackson?
Ich fand einige Sachen im Internet - und es warf sich mir die Frage auf, woher die Zettel stammen.
Es sind welche dabei, die sehen aus wie eine ganz bestimme Art von Notizen (was ich jetzt nicht lange erklären will, aber die Eingeweihten werden wohl wissen was gemeint ist) - und diese Art ist eigentlich nicht dafür gedacht um sie "zu veröffentlichen" - also die Frage auch an Euch - gibt es Hinweise woher sie stammen?
Beste Grüße

[cyplone]

Moin und herzlich willkommen,

nun klar, von seinen vertrauten, von ihm selber, von seinen mitarbeitern, von hotelangestellten usw usf

[inthemirror]

Hätte da mal eine Frage zu: Habe im Netz auch einige Notizen gefunden, die Michael zugeschrieben werden, aber wie überprüft man da den Echtheitsgrad? Gibt ja sicher auch viele Fälschungen...Schriftvergleich allein reicht da nicht aus oder? Wenn die Texte alle wirklich echt sind, haben sie auch einen richtig hohen Wert, der auch immer weiter wächst. Wird so etwas versteigert? Gerade Kostbarkeiten wie diese haben sicher Sammlerwert, genau wie luxuriöse Uhren, die man bei www.chrono24.ch erwerben kann.

[Zodiac]

Gutes Thema, ich suche momentan nach einem ganz speziellen Notizzettel, nämlich dem, der 2005 entstand und einen Liedtext enthält. Es ging darin um den Prozess und darum, überall vertrieben und gejagt zu werden und sich nirgends mehr zuhause zu fühlen. Der letzte Satz war glaub ich: "and only God knows I`m innocent". Weiß jemand, was ich meine? Ich hatte den Text mal gespeichert, aber in meinem großen PC-Blackout ist er mir verloren gegangen. Vielleicht hat ja noch jemand den Text und kann ihn noch mal hochladen?

[Lena]

Du meinst sicher diesen




MICHAEL JACKSONThe Innocent Man, 2005
A single page of lyrics entitled ‘The Innocent Man’, the 13 lines for the chorus written in pencil beginning: ‘If I sail to Acapulco’, and ending: ‘And only God knew I was innocent now’. 28 x 21.5 cm. (11 x 8 1/2 in). These lyrics were apparently written during Michael Jackson’s child abuse trial in 2005.

[Starlight05]

Wenn ich so etwas besitzen würde würde ich nie auf die idee kommen es zu
verkaufen.Ich würde es hüten wie meinen augapfel.

[Zodiac]

Das ging ja schnell Genau das meinte ich. Vielen Dank!

[Tijaju]

habe das gerade auf FB gefunden. Übersetzen kann ich´s leider nicht. Aber wer gut englisch kann und vielleicht noch bibelfest ist, für den dürfte das kein Problem sein




Michael studies on Nehemiah and following his example >
Michael writes “Imitate Nehemiah”. Nehemiah, in the old testament was the son of Hachaliah of Judah. He was among the Jews of the exile to Babylon. After the Babylonian empire fell to the Persians.
Michael writes: “Jehovah can direct the heart and mind of a king while he is ruling.”
Nehemiah was the royal cup bearer of the palace to King Artaxerxes. Michael wanted to imitate Nehemiah. Why? Michael has a lot of writing on this page, so I am just going to transcribe what he writes for easier reading, then we can look up the verses. Michael writes:
“Nehemiah means Jah's comfort (comforted by Jehovah). Nehemiah 1:5 4 (he crosses out 5) how he felt when he heard bad news. 2:4 2:11 2:11-18. The wall was being rebuilt all the families sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers they all helped in the restoration of the wall. 4: 1-46, 8<- 11, People tried to stop them. 4:14 4:23 They were always alert but they got the wall built. 5:14 – 15, 16-17 Nehemiah was a faithful servant of Jehovah God, Who set a fine example for us today.
Nehemiah 13
Following sacred (ancient? Can’t read this one) traditions can lead you astray. Mark 7: 1-24 rely only on the word of God not man’s words.”
The Bible verses mentioned here are quite a few. The first one he cites is Nehemiah 1:4 “When I heard these things, I sat down and wept. For some days I mourned and fasted and prayed before the God of heaven.”
The next verse cited is Neh. 2:4 “The king said to me, “What is it you want?” Then Neh. 2:11 and Neh. 2:11-18 “I went to Jerusalem, and after staying there three days 12 I set out during the night with a few others. I had not told anyone what my God had put in my heart to do for Jerusalem. There were no mounts with me except the one I was riding on.
13 By night I went out through the Valley Gate toward the Jackal[a] Well and the Dung Gate, examining the walls of Jerusalem, which had been broken down, and its gates, which had been destroyed by fire. 14 Then I moved on toward the Fountain Gate and the King’s Pool, but there was not enough room for my mount to get through; 15 so I went up the valley by night, examining the wall. Finally, I turned back and reentered through the Valley Gate. 16 The officials did not know where I had gone or what I was doing, because as yet I had said nothing to the Jews or the priests or nobles or officials or any others who would be doing the work.
17 Then I said to them, “You see the trouble we are in: Jerusalem lies in ruins, and its gates have been burned with fire. Come, let us rebuild the wall of Jerusalem, and we will no longer be in disgrace.” 18 I also told them about the gracious hand of my God on me and what the king had said to me. They replied, “Let us start rebuilding.” So they began this good work.”
Comment: "I don’t know why Michael would write this part of the story down but I took note of the fact that Nehemiah went alone to survey the damage, not telling anyone what he was doing. Why? Did Nehemiah think someone might try to stop him? What was it about Nehemiah that Michael wanted to imitate? Stealthily surveying damage he wanted to get others help in fixing?
More passages on Michael’s note, near where Michael writes “people tried to stop them” answers my question.
This is Nehemiah 4: 1-46 “1 [a]When Sanballat heard that we were rebuilding the wall, he became angry and was greatly incensed. He ridiculed the Jews, 2 and in the presence of his associates and the army of Samaria, he said, “What are those feeble Jews doing? Will they restore their wall? Will they offer sacrifices? Will they finish in a day? Can they bring the stones back to life from those heaps of rubble—burned as they are?”
Comment again: "This is just to give you an idea of what Michael was reading the hint that people were trying to stop the Jews from rebuilding the wall. The main theme is not so much the wall, but people trying to stop or interfere with God’s will and Nehemiah’s work in it. This seems to be the positive reinforcement Michael was looking for in his own work. Michael wanted to imitate Nehemiah’s faith and dedication to finishing God’s work."
Michael cites verses 8 and 11 in Nehemiah chapter 4 on the resistance. Neh. 4:8 “8 They all plotted together to come and fight against Jerusalem and stir up trouble against it.” And Neh. 4:11 “Also our enemies said, “Before they know it or see us, we will be right there among them and will kill them and put an end to the work.”
Nehemiah 4:14 “After I looked things over, I stood up and said to the nobles, the officials and the rest of the people, “Don’t be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your families, your sons and your daughters, your wives and your homes.” and 4:2 “Neither I nor my brothers nor my men nor the guards with me took off our clothes; each had his weapon, even when he went for water.” Next to Michael’s “stay alert” on the note. Always be awake, always be aware of what your enemy is doing.
Next Michael cites Nehemiah chapter 5. Neh. 5: 14-15 “Moreover, from the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when I was appointed to be their governor in the land of Judah, until his thirty-second year—twelve years—neither I nor my brothers ate the food allotted to the governor. 15 But the earlier governors—those preceding me—placed a heavy burden on the people and took forty shekels[a] of silver from them in addition to food and wine. Their assistants also lorded it over the people. But out of reverence for God I did not act like that.” Neh. 5: 16-17 “Instead, I devoted myself to the work on this wall. All my men were assembled there for the work; we[b] did not acquire any land.” This was near Michael’s note “Nehemiah was a faithful servant to God who set a fine example for us today.”
Michael’s last note at the bottom of this page: “Following sacred tradition can lead you astray” is separated by citation of Mark 7:1-24.
The core statement from Jesus here which is Mark 7: 5-8 “So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[b]
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
Mark 7:20-23 “He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”
Comment > "This is very important I believe in understanding the way Michael saw people. I also think it is important to remember when dealing with certain fan groups on Facebook or Twitter... it is actions that are manifested from what is in the heart. It is by this that you can separate the chaff from the wheat."
Amen!

[rip.michael]

Ganz ohne inhaltliche betrachtung ....
@Tijaju ... was ist deine quelle bitte und woraus kann man ersehen, dass diese handschriften von MJ himself sind und wer hat sich öffentlich gemacht?
Das wüsste ich bitte vorher gerne noch ... bevor ich vielleicht anfange .. *bitteumverständnis*

[Tijaju]

Habe den Link vergessen....https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&fref=nf

Nunja, ob es echt ist kann ich nicht sagen. Evtl. lösche ich es wieder.

[rip.michael]

Dass die handgeschriebenen aufzeichnungen echt sind, davon kann man wohl ausgehen ... sonst würden sie nicht irgendwo, irgendwem vorliegen.

Ist - für mich - nicht genügend einblick, um sicher zu sein, dass diese aufzeichnungen tatsächlich welche von MJ sind.

Diejenige, die das ganze bei facebook eingestellt hat, gibt zwar an, dass (ein) "Michael" der verfasser ist ... die handschrift ähnelt der seinen ...

Ich werde die übersetzung erst mal zurückstellen. (Ganz nebenbei, ich tu mich verdammt hart mit diesem text ... und bibelfest bin ich wirklich nicht )
Auch aus dem grund zurückstellung, weil ich zweifle, dass die übersetzung ein solcher religiöser exkurses überhaupt auf interessierte stösst.


Ansonsten bin ich mir sicher, dass sich Michael sich sehr wohl mit den inhalten, auch spirituellen inhalten, von vielen religionen auseinandersetzte. Vieles deutet darauf hin, auch seine religiöse prägung innerhalb der familie spielt eine rolle.

[cyplone]

also ich sage, das es nicht mj ist. mj hatte immer eine ziemliche krakelschrift.die schrift is relativ klar und leserlich. WENN das mj hätte sein sollen dann war das lange bevor er wirklich berühmt wurde.