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  • #46
    Das ist keine Steuerbehörde, daß ist ja Raubrittertum und vollkommen irre, was die als Begründung für die Höhhe der Steuerzahlung heranziehen

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    • #47
      Frohes Neues.....

      was ist eigentlich aus der Forderung geworden?
      gibt es schon neue Nachrichten?

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      • #48
        Michael Jackson estate embroiled in tax fight with IRS
        Executors say Michael Jackson was worth $7 million when he died. The IRS says it's more like $1.125 billion and wants $702 million in taxes and penalties.


        By Jeff Gottlieb
        February 7, 2014, 7:51 p.m.


        The spectacle that was Michael Jackson's life shows no signs of abating with his death.

        There was the conviction of the doctor who gave him the fatal overdose of a powerful anesthetic, battles over his will, attempts to remove the executors of his estate and the wrongful death suit against the promoter of his doomed comeback tour.

        Now, Jackson's estate is in the midst of a fight with the Internal Revenue Service.

        The agency has told Jackson's executors that the estate owes $505 million in taxes and an additional $197 million in penalties, for a total of more than $702 million.

        According to documents filed with the U.S. Tax Court in Washington, Jackson's executors placed his net worth at the time of his June 2009 death at slightly more than $7 million.

        The IRS placed it at $1.125 billion, a difference so vast it looks like a typo.

        Jackson's return was so inaccurate, the IRS said, that it qualified for a gross valuation misstatement penalty, which would allow the government to double the usual 20% penalty for underpayment.

        "I've never even heard of the gross valuation misstatement penalty being asserted," said Andrew Katzenstein, an estate tax expert at the law firm Proskauer Rose in Los Angeles.

        Few estates are valuable enough that they are required to file with the IRS. In 2012, the latest year for which statistics are available, only 9,400 estate-tax returns were filed in the nation. Because the value of the estates that file is relatively high, they usually are audited, tax experts said, but few end up in Tax Court.

        "Estate planning is like playing a game of hot potato, and the potato is wealth, and you don't want to die with the potato in your hands," said Edward McCaffery, a professor in USC's Gould School of Law. "You want to get it out to your kids or into trusts."

        The spectacle that was Michael Jackson's life shows no signs of abating with his death.

        There was the conviction of the doctor who gave him the fatal overdose of a powerful anesthetic, battles over his will, attempts to remove the executors of his estate and the wrongful death suit against the promoter of his doomed comeback tour.

        Now, Jackson's estate is in the midst of a fight with the Internal Revenue Service.

        The agency has told Jackson's executors that the estate owes $505 million in taxes and an additional $197 million in penalties, for a total of more than $702 million.

        According to documents filed with the U.S. Tax Court in Washington, Jackson's executors placed his net worth at the time of his June 2009 death at slightly more than $7 million.

        The IRS placed it at $1.125 billion, a difference so vast it looks like a typo.

        Jackson's return was so inaccurate, the IRS said, that it qualified for a gross valuation misstatement penalty, which would allow the government to double the usual 20% penalty for underpayment.

        "I've never even heard of the gross valuation misstatement penalty being asserted," said Andrew Katzenstein, an estate tax expert at the law firm Proskauer Rose in Los Angeles.

        Few estates are valuable enough that they are required to file with the IRS. In 2012, the latest year for which statistics are available, only 9,400 estate-tax returns were filed in the nation. Because the value of the estates that file is relatively high, they usually are audited, tax experts said, but few end up in Tax Court.

        "Estate planning is like playing a game of hot potato, and the potato is wealth, and you don't want to die with the potato in your hands," said Edward McCaffery, a professor in USC's Gould School of Law. "You want to get it out to your kids or into trusts."

        Tax experts said the Jackson estate would have hired appraisers to determine how much his assets were worth at the time of his death, including his likeness. One document mentions a report by the venerable firm Bonhams & Butterfield.

        Most estates are much easier to value than Jackson's. You can look up the prices of stocks and bonds. You can check comparable properties for real estate. With a business, you can compare sales with a similar firm. But how do you value Jackson's likeness?

        "This is something unusual," Katzenstein said. "He was one of the premier entertainers of our time. So there are really no comparables, and it leaves the valuation question open to a huge range of possibilities.

        "Do I think his likeness was worth $2,105? No. But was it worth $400 million?"

        The Jackson estate probably would argue that before he died, the singer had neither toured nor released a CD for several years, and his public image had been severely damaged by allegations of child molestation. Companies were not exactly begging Jackson to endorse their products or trying to make deals with him.

        Since he died, Jackson's recordings have gained new life. The estate had earned $475 million, according to a court filing in July 2012. Forbes magazine reported in October 2013 that Jackson was the highest-paid celebrity that year — dead or alive — earning $160 million.

        Much of the money, according to Forbes, came from two Cirque du Soleil shows based on Jackson's music, one at Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas and another that tours the world.

        "You have the Jim Croce effect," McCaffery said, referring to a singer who was killed in an airplane crash in 1973. "Before he dies, everyone is tired of his songs. But after the tragic death, there is a spike up."

        The court documents also list other disagreements between the estate and the IRS. The documents often refer to assets, such as a company or a trust, but do not go into detail about them and often do not explain why the IRS disputes the estate's figures.

        Listed under stocks and bonds, the IRS said MJJ Ventures Inc. was worth $81.13 million, $67.4 million more than the estate said.

        The IRS also took issue with the valuation of Jackson's share of the rights to the Jackson 5 master recordings. The estate valued them at $11.193 million, while the IRS placed their worth at nearly $45.5 million.

        The tax court documents show that Jackson had three Rolls-Royces and a 2001 Bentley Arnage that the IRS said were worth $250,000, not the $91,600 the estate placed on them.

        The IRS also found other automobiles, saying, "Tangible personal property including vehicles not reported otherwise" were worth $47.467 million instead of the $0 the estate reported.

        If it is found liable for the taxes, the Jackson estate could pay them off by selling assets or asking the IRS if it could pay over 15 years, Katzenstein said.

        Although most inheritance tax disputes are settled before trial, the Jackson estate appears to be taking a hard line, having hired the top tax litigators in Los Angeles — Hochman, Salkin, Rettig, Toscher & Perez — Katzenstein said.

        "They're trial lawyers," he said. "They're a firm not afraid of litigating these matters to resolution."

        But the IRS, McCaffery said, signaled it is not backing off when it said Jackson's likeness was worth $434 million. "They're saying, `Bring it on.'"


        Executors say Michael Jackson was worth $7 million when he died. The IRS says it's more like $1.125 billion and wants $702 million in taxes and penalties.
        Zuletzt geändert von geli2709; 08.02.2014, 18:16. Grund: link korrigiert

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        • #49
          Noch ein paar Artikel/Kommentare zum Thema aus den letzten Wochen
          Trust Me, Michael Jackson Is Still Paying Taxes

          The King of Pop vs. the IRS
          Dec. 30, 2013
          Robert Wood


          Michael Jackson faced many legal struggles during his storied career. He fought sex abuse charges, copyright infringements and concert contract disputes. Sadly, the King of Pop died unexpectedly on June 25, 2009. Even now, though, his estate faces one more pitched battle in court, this time about estate taxes.

          Michael Jackson has actually made a lot of money since his passing. His name, image and ongoing musical success have continued to pull in considerable income for his estate. Reports suggest that the Jackson estate has collected hundreds of millions of dollars.

          There was a $60 million advance for the film “This Is It” and a new recording contract worth up to $250 million. There was also the high-grossing Michael Jackson Immortal World Tour, a joint venture with Cirque du Soleil. His estate reportedly collected $170 million in 2011 and $145 million in 2012. As always, the Internal Revenue Service wants its cut.

          Indeed, just as with a living individual, the income collected by an estate is subject to income tax. Accordingly, the estate has reportedly already paid over $100 million in income taxes. You might assume that after collecting all that income tax, the IRS wouldn’t ask for more. But, estate tax is another matter. The IRS and Jackson’s estate are locked in a Tax Court battle over estate taxes.[1]

          The IRS claims that Mr. Jackson’s estate owes a whopping $505.1 million in estate taxes, plus $196.9 million in penalties.[2] Fortunately for the estate, the penalties are based on the taxes due. If the tax charge is struck down, the penalties should go with it.

          Unlike income taxes, Move up http://i.forbesimg.com t Move down estate taxes are levied on property transferred from the decedent to his heirs. The tax due depends on the value of an estate as of the date of death, minus deductions. Alternatively, the estate can elect to value the assets six months after death. Executors often determine which value is lower and report that figure.

          Federal estate tax law currently allows $5.25 million per person to be passed tax-free. But in 2009, the year Jackson died, the exemption was only $3.5 million. Excess assets for those who died in 2009 are taxed at up to 45 percent. As you might imagine, Jackson had significantly more than $3.5 million in assets.

          Under the estate tax, only net value—assets minus liabilities—is taxed. That’s a key concept for Jackson, who reportedly had many assets but many debts too. Beyond this fundamental rule about debts, specific assets must be valued. Jackson owned a 50 percent share in a valuable Sony music catalogue, his own music catalogue, real estate and art.

          And, who can forget Neverland Ranch? For most decedent’s property, it’s usually possible to determine the value of real estate based on other parcels, possible development use, restrictions, etc. Jackson’s Neverland Ranch, on the other hand, is truly unique and is, arguably, tied to Jackson’s image. These facts make its value particularly difficult to fix.

          The core of the tax dispute concerns the value of the pop icon’s image, likeness and intellectual properties. The IRS is said to have valued the estate’s rights to Jackson’s image and likeness at $434 million. The estate pins that value at $2,105 (not a typo). Clearly, both sides are exaggerating, and both will probably have to compromise.

          However, the estate has a legitimate argument that the meteoric rise in Jackson’s fortunes after his death couldn’t have been foreseen. Future payments to the estate for Jackson’s continuing sales are valued for federal estate tax purposes by the projected future worth discounted to present value. Those calculations aren’t easy when the subject’s earnings have fluctuated wildly.

          Yet, Jackson’s past legal and public relations challenges may help his estate’s tax case now. When he died in 2009, Jackson was said to be spending more than he was making. His album production was low, and the value of his likeness and image was on the decline. Between sexual abuse charges, controversies over his physical appearance, gaffes with his kids and his Martin Bashir interview, Jackson’s star was fading, not rising.

          His estate can be expected to exploit this history. The estate might claim that the “This is It” movie was successful because of the star’s death, not in spite of it. Viewed objectively before his passing, one could argue that his scheduled concert tour was a huge gamble. And, even if it had succeeded, there are degrees of success.

          As you would expect, the Jackson estate employed an appraiser to value the assets, and the IRS has one too. As such, this will be a legal battle as well as a battle of the appraisers. Mr. Jackson’s fortunes soared after his death, as reflected in the estate’s high earnings, on which it paid income tax. But, that does not mean the estate was worth all of that money on the date of his death.

          Because estate tax matters so often hinge on valuation, there are special IRS penalties. If the estate is found to have misrepresented the value of items on its federal estate tax return, these penalties could run as high as 40 percent. That only adds to the Thriller-sized dollars at stake.

          Of course, most disputes end up being compromised. With the polarized valuation figures here, there is considerable room between the IRS’ and the estate’s numbers. But, with a treasure trove of debts, lore and gossip at its disposal, I would wager that the estate may have to compromise much less than the Service. Beat it, IRS.



          See Estate of Michael Jackson v. Commissioner (017152-13 U.S. Tax Court).

          See Patrick Temple-West, “U.S. agency says Michael Jackson estate owes $702 million in taxes,” Reuters (Aug. 23, 2013).


          http://wealthmanagement.com/estate-p...l-paying-taxes


          Michael Jackson's Estate's Fight With IRS, With Rob Wood, Tax Lawyer, San Francisco





          LETTER TO THE EDITOR
          In Uncategorized on 11/19/2013 at 19:27
          The latest issue of our State’s Bar Association Journal carried a story with the fetching title “Jackson Estate Says, ‘Beat It, IRS’.”

          I fired off a letter to the editor, but my e-mails kept bouncing because the e-address given is inactive.

          So I posted this to the Association’s LinkedIn page. And if that doesn’t give it sufficient publicity, here it is again.

          Sir, Robert W. Wood, Esq., is rather more sanguine than I about the outcome in Estate of Michael J. Jackson, Deceased, John G. Branca, Co-Executor and John McClain, Co-Executor v. Com’r., Docket No. 017152-13, in his article “Jackson Estate Says ‘Beat It, IRS’.”, Nov/Dec 2013.

          While I haven’t any hard statistical evidence to give independent support to this conclusion, I must agree with James Edward Maule, who stated the case almost 15 years ago in Instant Replay, Weak Teams, and Disputed Calls: An Empirical Study of Alleged Tax Court Judge Bias, 66 Tenn. L. Rev. 351, 353, 401 (1999). According to Mr. Maule, the IRS rarely loses in Tax Court, opinions are rarely appealed (in Tax Court, an opinion states the law, or what non-Tax Court practitioners would call a decision; a Tax Court decision fixes the amount of tax due, if any, or what the non-Tax Court practitioner would call a judgment), and even if appealed, are rarely overturned in the Circuit Courts of Appeal.

          Few courts see more valuation cases than Tax Court. And the sums involved run into the hundreds of millions. See, for example, Eaton Corporation (transfer pricing; arms’-length valuation), 140 T. C. 18, 6/25/13 ($368 million, plus interest); and the plethora of façade easement cases (e.g., Dunlap; Scheidelman; Gorra). Although Second Circuit did overturn Scheidelman I, taxpayer lost in Scheidelman II.

          And of course a case that settled, but excited considerable interest in the art world, Estate of Ileana Sonnabend, Docket No. 649-12, which settled a $65 million deficiency for $1.3 million, the case of the prohibited eagle. There the issue for trial would have been the worth of a work of art that could not be sold, bartered or exchanged without incurring criminal penalties.

          Moreover, Tax Court is no stranger to valuing a person’s image. See Retief Goosen, 137 T. C. 1, 6/9/11; cf. Sergio Garcia, 140 T. C. 6, filed 3/14/13. Garcia is interesting for its contrast with Goosen, a “global icon” as contrasted with a “brand image”.

          I will await the outcome of Jackson with interest, but much less certainty than Mr. Woods’ article suggests.

          The cases cited can all be found on the Tax Court website, www.ustaxcourt.gov. Use either the link for Opinion Search or Docket Search. Tax Court’s website is user-friendly.

          The latest issue of our State’s Bar Association Journal carried a story with the fetching title “Jackson Estate Says, ‘Beat It, IRS’.” I fired off a letter to the edit…


          Lew Taishoff is a New York City-based attorney with 46 years of experience in corporate and individual tax and real estate matters. He is an Enrolled Agent, examined and admitted to practice before the Internal Revenue Service, and admitted to practice before the United States
          Zuletzt geändert von Lena; 08.02.2014, 18:39.

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          • #50
            1:52 minuten: sind es motörräder und autos die michael mal selbst gefahren hat? wo stehen sie heute?
            der gekachelte raum....ist es ein raum auf neverland? ich dachte es wäre eine ausstellung gewesen?!

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            • #51
              du willst aber auch alles wissen,
              ich glaube alleine von den lagerkosten, die für Michaels Eigentum entstehen,
              könnte man sich, zumindest finanziell ein schönes leben machen.

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              • #52
                Zitat von Brigitte 58 Beitrag anzeigen
                du willst aber auch alles wissen
                man soll ja nicht sagen, dass ich nicht gut informiert bin falls ich mal wieder "meckere"

                aber die antwort?

                ich weiß, dass michael selten auto fuhr und wohl nicht so ein guter fahrer war oder?

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                • #53
                  Michael Jackson Estate Targeted By IRS -- Shocking Tax-Cheating Allegations

                  Michael Jackson Estate
                  Targeted by IRS
                  Shocking Tax-Cheating Allegations


                  2/8/2014 9:08 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF


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                  The Michael Jackson Estate is in the crosshairs of the IRS for allegedly cheating taxpayers out of a fortune ... and now the taxman wants the Estate to pay the piper -- to the tune of more than $700 million.

                  The allegations are stunning. According to legal docs -- obtained by the L.A. Times -- when Michael died the executors told the IRS his net worth was around $7 million. The IRS now says MJ's net worth was actually $1.125 BILLION!

                  And in a HIGHLY unusual move, the IRS claimed executors so grossly misled the agency, it doubled the tax penalty -- from 20 - 40%. So the IRS claims the Estate didn't pay $505 million worth of taxes, and when you add the 40% it comes to more than $702 Million.

                  As for what the agency says was under-reported:

                  -- The Estate valued MJ's likeness at $2,105. The IRS says the value is actually more than $434 million.
                  -- The Estate valued Michael's interest in a trust that owns songs by MJ and the Beatles at ZERO! The IRS says its more like $469 million.
                  -- There's another MJ trust the Estate claims is worth $2.2 mil. The IRS says it's worth $60.6 mil.
                  -- The Estate valued the Jackson 5 master recordings at $11.2 mil. The IRS says $45.5 mil.

                  It's pretty clear the Estate will fight this like crazy, but worst case scenario the taxes could wipe out what the Estate has made since MJ's death ... which could be devastating for Michael's kids.

                  We contacted a rep for the Estate. So far no word back.

                  Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/08/michae...#ixzz2slVrM454
                  Zuletzt geändert von geli2709; 08.02.2014, 23:06.

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                  • #54
                    Vielleicht hätte der Estate ja die von der IRS vorgeschlagenen 700 Mio-Versteuerung von Michaels Besitz zu Michaels Todeszeitpunkt ansetzen sollen. Dann wären sie anstatt mit 500 Mio. (die die IRS mal gleich unter den Tisch fallen lässt ) mit 1,2 Milliarden Schulden für Michals Kinder gestartet, lol und mehr als 100 Millionen von den seit den erzielten Einahmen gingen ja ohnehin zusätzlich an die IRS.

                    Ich denke die Artikel zum Thema bringen durchaus auf den Punkt, dass die IRS-Forderungen unrealistisch sind, auch wenn der Estate einigen Besitz steuerlich unterbewertet haben sollte und eine gewisse Nachzahlung daraus resultieren sollte.

                    Wie sieht das eigentlich mit anderen Images und Likeness aus. Hat die IRS bei E. Taylor zum Todeszeitpunkt auch ein paar 100 Mio. angesetzt, die die Erben an die IRS abzuführen haben?
                    Zuletzt geändert von Lena; 08.02.2014, 23:32.

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                    • #55
                      IRS calls foul on Jackson estate taxes

                      Jayme Deerwester, USA TODAY 2:05 p.m. EST February 8, 2014

                      IRS report: Singer's estate grossly underestimated worth and owes $700 million.


                      Michael Jackson's estate handlers are in hot water with the Internal Revenue Service, who allege they drastically underestimated the singer's financial worth.

                      According to a report by the Los Angeles Times, at the time of the singer's 2009 death, executors entered his net value as $7 million. The IRS estimates that number should have been $1.1 billion.

                      Because of that disparity, the IRS has levied a rare gross valuation misstatement penalty, which doubles Jackson's tax rate from 20% to 40% for underpayment. They say the estate owes $702 million, or a principal balance of $505 million with an additional $197 million in penalties.

                      Among the issues being disputed:

                      • The Jackson estate valued his likeness at $2,105; the IRS puts it around $434 million.

                      • The estate put the worth of his song publishing catalog at $0; the IRS says it's worth $469 million.

                      • The estate estimated the value of a trust at $2.2 million; the IRS appraised it for $60 million.

                      Zuletzt geändert von geli2709; 09.02.2014, 00:17.

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                      • #56
                        Zusammengefasst geht es schließlich um folgendes:

                        Das Estate hatte den Wert von Michael's Vermögen nach seinem Tod bei der Steuerbehörde (IRS) mit (lediglich!!) 7 000 000 $ angegeben und auf dieser Basis auch Steuern entrichtet.
                        Die IRS behauptet jedoch, es sei mehr als 1 125 000 000 $ wert gewesen und will nun 702 000 000 $ an Steuernachzahlung und Strafen.
                        Da sie die vom Estate abgegebene Steuererklärung als grobe Fehldarstellung bewerten, sehen sie sich berechtigt, die Strafe für die Unterbezahlung von 20% auf 40% zu verdoppeln.


                        Laut der IRS bewertete das Estate MJ's Vermögen wie folgt:

                        As for what the agency says was under-reported:

                        -- The Estate valued MJ's likeness at $2,105. The IRS says the value is actually more than $434 million.
                        -- The Estate valued Michael's interest in a trust that owns songs by MJ and the Beatles at ZERO!
                        The IRS says its more like $469 million.
                        -- There's another MJ trust the Estate claims is worth $2.2 mil. The IRS says it's worth $60.6 mil.
                        -- The Estate valued the Jackson 5 master recordings at $11.2 mil. The IRS says $45.5 mil.



                        --MJ's Bildnis/Marke 2,105 $ IRS dagegen mit 434 Mill.$
                        --den Wert an MJ's Songs und seinem Anteil am ATV-Katalog mit ZERO /0
                        IRS dagegen mit 469 Mill.$
                        --den Wert seiner Immobilien mit 2.2 Mill.$ IRS dagegen mit 60,6 Mill.$
                        --den Wert der Jackson 5 Masteraufnahmen mit 11,2 Mill.$ IRS dagegen mit 45,5 Mill.$


                        Die Hauptfrage die sich mir dabei stellt ist:
                        Warum wurde vom Estate der Wert an Michael's eigener Musik sowie seines Anteils am ATV-Katalog mit 0/ZERO bewertet ???!!!
                        Zuletzt geändert von geli2709; 09.02.2014, 23:01. Grund: Korrektur

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                        • #57

                          nur keine Panik
                          Laut "einschlägiger" Pressemeldungen
                          muß ja eh "die Familie" dafür aufkommen .............

                          http://www.promicabana.de/michael-ja...ernachzahlung/

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                          • #58
                            Es geht ja bei der Steuerbewertung zum Todeszeitpunkt um den Steuerwert eines Besitzes zum Todeszeitpunkt und dabei sind die Schulden, die auf einem Besitz liegen abzuziehen. Die Hypothekenzahlungen die Michael vor seinem Tod z.B. für den Sony/ATV zu leisten hatte überstiegen die Einnahmen, die er daraus erzielte.
                            Wenn es dann z.B. stimmt das Sony ein Vorkaufsrecht auf Michaels Katalog oder auf die Hälfte zu einem Festpreis hatte (hier ist doch immer von 200 Mio. die Rede)
                            im Falle das er seine Hypothekenverpflichtungen nicht weiter nachgekommen wäre und ihn verkaufen hätte müssen dann mindert das für den Besitzer MJ den Wert des Kataloges.

                            Ähnliches z.b. bei der Neverland-Ranch. 23 Mio-Hypothek gegenüber Colnial Capital und zudem ein 50% Nutzungsrecht für CC.

                            Ich denke in dieser Richtung sind die Erklärungsansätze für die Steuerbewertung zu suchen für die der Estate übrigens externe Bewerter einsetzte.

                            Wieso bringen die LA-Times und TMZ überhaupt gerade das Thema als News heraus. Das ist doch gerade eine alte News, die sie wieder aufkauen und nichts Neues hinzufügen haben. Intressant werden sicher die weiteren Entwicklungen im Rechtsstreit sein, die der Estate mit der IRS führt.

                            Edit: Stellungnahme vom Estate (dem upgdateten TMZ-Artikel entnommen, den Geli einstellte und die der Estate ja bereits in ähnlicher Form abgab als das Thema wirklich eine News war)
                            We contacted a rep for the Estate who says they stand by their initial statements on the matter ... telling us, "The Estate of Michael Jackson disputes the IRS position in its entirety."

                            The rep adds, "The Estate used independent, nationally-recognized and highly-qualified expert appraisers in determining the value of the Estate’s assets. By contrast, the IRS consultant’s values are not based on standard appraisal methodology, but rather are speculative and erroneous assumptions unsupported by the facts or law. The Estate has paid over $100 Million dollars in taxes and is in full compliance with the tax laws."
                            Zuletzt geändert von Lena; 09.02.2014, 20:43.

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                            • #59
                              Die Sache ist jetzt vom Tisch. Hab nen Scheck ausgestellt. Und die Versager vom Estate auf die Plätze verwiesen, wo sie hingehören.

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                              • #60
                                ehrlich gesagt "unabhängig von den "news"" weiß ich bis heute nicht ob michael zum zeitpunkt seines todes in geldnot war oder nicht?
                                unabhängig von steuerrecht (@lena: mir ist neu, dass die schulden auf einen besitz abzuziehen sind, und dies die verpflichtung gegenüber den finanzamt mildern. jedenfalls nicht wenn man später einen kredit aufnimmt um sein "luxus-leben" daraus zu finanzieren. die steuerverbindlichkeiten bleiben trotz allem erhalten. so ist es mir jedenfalls bekannt. michael hat damals den katalog für 45 millionen erworben und abgetragen (soweit ich weiß). wenn er später daraus einen kredit aufnahm und sein leben zu finanzieren war es seine private angelegenheit, die deshalb nicht seine verpflichtungen gegenüber den finanzamt milderten.

                                den katalog setze ich auch mal mit 0 an (unabhängig von steuerrecht und steuerverpflichtungen). michael hatte aus den katalog verbindlichkeiten, so dass der katalog erst mal im "fremden" besitz war und für ihn kein kapital darstellte (bekam er daraus trotzdem einnahmen oder bekam diese einnahmen auch die bank? (was logisch gewesen wäre - zumindest kann man es festlegen wenn ich richtig informiert bin).

                                2009 und die letzten jahre davor hatte michael meines wissen keine nennenswerte einnahmen - weder aus den katalog noch aus seine eigene vermarktung ( z.b. platten, cd usw-verkäufe waren zu diesen zeitpunkt nicht so gut). daher ist die bewertung - wenn sie wirklich so von us-finanzamt berechnet wurden - von 434 Mill.$ unsinn, da außer die london-konzerte keinerlei zukunftaussichten über andere einnahmen zu sehen waren die diesen wert annahmen. zu den wert seiner immobilien kann ich nichts sagen, da ich es ehrlich gesagt nicht weiß ob michael damals (2009) noch immobilien hatte?!

                                wieso sind überhaupt immer noch so viele fans überzeugt, dass michael die london-konzerte geben musste weil er geld brauchte...aber überzeugt sind, dass er 2009 noch genug geld hatte (?) meiner meinung nach war michael ein widersprüchlicher gesachäftsmann, der eher wenig seine eigene finanzen im überblick hatte. der sony-deal oder der pepsi-deal waren meiner meiner meinung nach auch nicht ein deal eines genialen geschäftstmannes....sondern michael hat einfach nur hoch-gepokert (sage ich jetzt einfach mal - lasse mich gerne korrigieren).


                                ich gehe hier jetzt gar nicht auf die spekulation von irgendwelche yollow-press blätter ein (die schreiben ja oft unsinn weil es die geschichte spannender macht). mich würden aber wirklich mal sein tatsächlicher schuldenfreier besitz interessieren (2009). egal ob häuser, autos, geld usw.
                                Zuletzt geändert von Memphis; 09.02.2014, 21:36.

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