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Zitat von Maxi777 Beitrag anzeigenZuletzt geändert von Cassandra; 31.10.2009, 16:50.
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Niemand sagt was von Boykott aber diese SCHw... dürfen doch nicht so davon kommen wenn mal alle Fans zusammenhalten würden, dann würden die sich schnell umschauen... aber dazu muss man natürlich auch mal interesse aufbringen aber das fehlt hier scheinbar.
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Zitat von IceMan Beitrag anzeigenEin Boykott kann ich nicht gut finden. Wer den Film boykottieren will, der boykottiert auch Michael.
Ich gönne ihm diesen letzten Erfolg, sofern es denn einer werden wird.
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Zitat von manu29 Beitrag anzeigenNiemand sagt was von Boykott aber diese SCHw... dürfen doch nicht so davon kommen wenn mal alle Fans zusammenhalten würden, dann würden die sich schnell umschauen... aber dazu muss man natürlich auch mal interesse aufbringen aber das fehlt hier scheinbar.
Das hab ich schon öfter gelesen von dieser TINI Gruppe...nur sie sind die, die sich um Michael sorgen. Ätzend.
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ich finde das ziemlich inkonsequent, wenn ich so denken würde, wie die bei TINI, dann würde ich den Film definitiv boykottieren..........
also, wenn ich überzeugt wäre, die AEG oder sonstwer hat ihn auf dem Gewissen..........dann würd ich nen Teufel tun, irgendwelchen Mördern noch Geld in den RAchen zu werfen..............
denk ich aber nicht, deswegen kann ich ihn auch gucken..........
aber wer sagt, die haben ihn umgebracht und dennoch in den Film geht.........was soll man denn davon halten?
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Zitat von manu29 Beitrag anzeigenNiemand sagt was von Boykott aber diese SCHw... dürfen doch nicht so davon kommen wenn mal alle Fans zusammenhalten würden, dann würden die sich schnell umschauen... aber dazu muss man natürlich auch mal interesse aufbringen aber das fehlt hier scheinbar.
Natürlich, TINI will ja daß man den Film mit einem aufmerksamen Auge verfolgt.
Von Boykott sprechen aber vereinzelte hier (z.B. MJFan zuvor).
Und mir stößt sauer auf, daß bei einem Boykott es nicht heißen wird, "AEG und Sony kriegen einen an den Sack", sondern "Michael Jackson ist kaum noch von Interesse". So wird es in den heutigen Medien heißen, falls der Film floppen sollte.
Das wird er aber nicht. Da bin ich sicher.
Man kann aber keinen Zwingen, sich der Aktion anzuschließen, bzw. ihn als "Nicht MJ Fan " bezeichnen. Denn manche hier, die diese Aktion anpreisen, machen einigen hier Vorwürfe oder halten sie für intolerant, wenn sie diese Aktion kritisch sehen.
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Also ich hab nie gelesen das TINI zum Boykott auffordert. Ganz im Gegenteil. Ich denke einfach das dieses Boykott Thema hier absichtlich verstreut wird um manche zu verunsichern damit sie TINI tod reden. KF war auch in dem Film, wäre ja schon etwas komisch wenn siINI befürwortet undann in den Film geht.
TINI will nur aufdecken das AEG Michael zu viel gezwungen hat und ohne ihr zutzun eine Überdosierung vielleicht nie passiert wäre, denn wenn MJ nicht so unter Druck gesetzt worden wäre hätte er sich auch nicht solche Sorgen gemacht. Siehe Text von Zeh Kah das ist sehr aufschlussreich.
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Zitat von manu29 Beitrag anzeigenAlso ich hab nie gelesen das TINI zum Boykott auffordert. Ganz im Gegenteil. Ich denke einfach das dieses Boykott Thema hier absichtlich verstreut wird um manche zu verunsichern damit sie TINI tod reden. KF war auch in dem Film, wäre ja schon etwas komisch wenn siINI befürwortet undann in den Film geht.
TINI will nur aufdecken das AEG Michael zu viel gezwungen hat und ohne ihr zutzun eine Überdosierung vielleicht nie passiert wäre, denn wenn MJ nicht so unter Druck gesetzt worden wäre hätte er sich auch nicht solche Sorgen gemacht. Siehe Text von Zeh Kah das ist sehr aufschlussreich.
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@missionX
MICHAEL IST ALLEINE DURCH VERSCHULDEN DRITTER UMS LEBEN GEKOMMEN!!!
Ich war trotzdem im Kino und werde wieder hingehen, zunächst mal ganz unabhängig davon wer wieviel Geld daran verdient!
Ich will meinen Meister sehen! Das ist für mich die oberste Priorität!
Michael hat so hart gearbeitet für uns Fans, und wenn er seine Show nicht anders zeigen kann, dann muss ich eben das nehmen was ich bekomme...ich habe keine andere Wahl...
So und jetzt kann jeder davon halten was er will und es so handhaben wie er das für
richtig hält!
Abgesehen davon, wenn die Erben das Geld bekommmen (MJ`s Kinder) wäre es für mich eine Genugtung, wenn sie dadurch so viel Geld verdienen, dass sie dieATV Kataloge für immer halten können...das wäre ein Triumph für Michael!!!
Das liegt mir ganz besonders am Herzen!
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Bite lest Euch das doch noch mal aufmerksam durch, das kann noch alles kein Zufall sein. Wir sind doch alle Fans, mich lässt das einfach nicht in Ruhe, ich kann nicht glauben das sie ihn so behandelt haben und ich versteh nicht wie ihr das so hinnehmen könnt. Gerade weil ich WEIß das wir alle seine Fans sind und wir uns ALLE sorgen machen:
Yeasterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in the movie and his name appears at the end. He is here in Miami on vacation with family and a good friend of mine knows him. I begged him to let me meet him and he was the sweetest person, and he loved Michael.
He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say."
However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known."
He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.
Here's the most important things he told me:
- Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these reharsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure.
-Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael reharsed at home" or "Michael is reharsing with his vocal coach."
At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always ade sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.
-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.
Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her "well, he has to wear them!"
-This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" @#$%$ing around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.
The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never reharsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.
He also confirmed that they never had a full reharsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours orgnally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.
Also, they never reharsed with implementing the videos for Smooth, Thriller and Earth as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never reharsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal.
-For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.
However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.
-Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.
-The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend reahrsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans.
This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready.
He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target.
According to him, if the concerts were not goint to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themsleves and their lack of timing skills.
Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request.
A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena.
This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.
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Zitat von manu29 Beitrag anzeigenAlso ich hab nie gelesen das TINI zum Boykott auffordert. Ganz im Gegenteil. Ich denke einfach das dieses Boykott Thema hier absichtlich verstreut wird um manche zu verunsichern damit sie TINI tod reden. KF war auch in dem Film, wäre ja schon etwas komisch wenn siINI befürwortet undann in den Film geht.
TINI will nur aufdecken das AEG Michael zu viel gezwungen hat und ohne ihr zutzun eine Überdosierung vielleicht nie passiert wäre, denn wenn MJ nicht so unter Druck gesetzt worden wäre hätte er sich auch nicht solche Sorgen gemacht. Siehe Text von Zeh Kah das ist sehr aufschlussreich.
Das TINI zum Boykott aufruft, bezweifle ich ja auch. Nur scheinen es einige falsch zu verstehen. Diese lesen "This is NOT it" und denken, wenn man den Film boykottiert täte man Michael einen Gefallen.
Deshalb ist TINI so heikel, weil sie gerne falsch gedeutet wird.
Ich bezeichne mich als Neutralo, der beide Seiten versteht, aber nicht möchte, daß man seine Sicht als die Wahrheit ansieht. Und z.Z. wird alles von TINI als zu wichtig genommen, anstatt mal auf den Wahrheitsgehalt zu achten.
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Zitat von Christine3110 Beitrag anzeigenWoher ist eigentlich dieser Bericht? Aus einem anderen Forum?
Woher weiß man, dass er echt ist?
Wenn man gehässig wäre, könnte man auch behaupten, er ist gefaked u. zwar von TINI ... weil ihre Aktion bei den meißten Fans nicht auf Gegenliebe stößt.
Ich bin aber nicht gehässig.
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Ich sehe den Murray als Alleinverantwortlichen, denn ich glaube nicht an eine Verschwörung.............Murray hat mit dem Film nicht den dreck unterm Fingernagel zu tun...............
ich finde es ehrenhaft zu sagen, wir gucken uns den Film an, damit es nicht heißt "*****s Film ein Flop"..............
sollte AEG wirklich mit dahinter stecken, denkt ihr wirklich, Michael würde von Euch noch erwarten, ihr sollt Euch den Film ansehen, nur damit er vor dre Presse bzw. vor der Öffentlichkeit noch gut da steht, ich glaube ihm wäre das echt egal, wenn er ermordet worden wäre, er würde aber nicht haben wollen, dass man den Mörder noch mit Zucker füttert..........
das meine ich mit Inkonsequenz..............ich seh das so, auf der einen Seite, glaubt ihr, Murra yist nicht alleinverantwortlich, auf der anderen Seite wollt ihr ihn natürlich auch nochmal sehen, was ich voll verstehen kann, nur wie heißt es so schön, wer a sagt muss auch B sagen, ich kann nicht sagen Zucker mag ich nicht, aber dann hinten rum den Kuchen klauen und aufessen.............
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